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Nothing of value was lost in this video
Poll: Poll: Do you think the force is reasonable and justified?
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It's not like the bouncer was putting combinations on him. It was just a single punch every time, and it didn't even look particularly like he was putting everything into them. Seems pretty reasonable to me given the fact that there are crowds around and something could escalate if it doesn't get nipped in the bud.
I did include a caveat if you read the full post. The point is the meathead in the op didn’t think what might happen if he KOd the whippet.
If he’d have made more of an effort to push away the kid, who could hardly stand up let alone fight, he may well have walked away. Defaulting to punching at every opportunity isn’t very clever.
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OP reads very much like wanting Police to have the same ability to rofflestomp drunk kids in the same way bouncers apparently can, and then seems confused why people outside of the Police don't get why this might not seem reasonable.
You might want to look at the plol results. Better than 2:1 think it was reasonable.
I guess we're all in the Police
For many the question is ‘did you enjoy watching a chav get his comeuppance’ 
If the police or bouncers want to take someone down, punches to the head are almost never going to be the best answer.
A baton to the leg or pepper spray would be a much better, intelligent solution. Especially when there is oodles of time to react as per the video in the OP.
If the police or bouncers want to take someone down, punches to the head are almost never going to be the best answer.
A baton to the leg or pepper spray would be a much better, intelligent solution. Especially when there is oodles of time to react as per the video in the OP.
For many the question is ‘did you enjoy watching a chav get his comeuppance’
Watching a chav being told where he sits in the grand scheme of things (via a pasting)is always a good thing.
I don't think bouncers are generally armed?For many the question is ‘did you enjoy watching a chav get his comeuppance’
If the police or bouncers want to take someone down, punches to the head are almost never going to be the best answer.
A baton to the leg or pepper spray would be a much better, intelligent solution. Especially when there is oodles of time to react as per the video in the OP.
We have so many freedoms that people take advantage of. I suppose it's all we have left to offer after the Empire dried up. Make us out to be the most democratic, tolerant, country in the world to attract outsiders etc. I do wonder how we have the 6th? richest economy in the world when you see stuff like this. So many countries wouldn't put up with this. Or would they, I'm just assuming not an expert.
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It's great that you can see he didn't have a knife after watching the whole video safe, calm and comfortable from your PC chair and knowing the outcome.
Since we appear to be judging the situation purely based on hindsight, we also know the drunk in question didn't die or sustain any life changing injuries, therefore the "he could have hit his head and died" arguments are also moot.
Meanwhile, back in reality, when you're in the middle of a scuffle with multiple people, you don't have the luxury of taking the time to carefully assess the possible outcome of every possible action, and weigh up whether that guy you've just punched is coming back for more because he's an idiot or because he wants to stab you in revenge
I know. I was advocating a potentially better, less potentially lethal solution in certain circumstances.
I once saw a bouncer give someone an absolute peach of a backhander, it must have stung like hell. He didn’t have much choice other than to defend himself as it happened so quickly. The person on the receiving end backed down pretty fast and problem solved without any serious injury.
You think this kid would have backed down if the bouncer slapped him?
This kid was knocked clean on his arse twice and still went back for more...
Also giving bouncers pepper spray is a terrible idea (so is arming them in general) In a scuffle like this many people would have been hit by it.
People make it sound like this is the norm. How often do bouncers use force like this? Bet it's quite rare in the grand scheme of things.
Agreed, we don't need to be arming bouncers.
By the looks of that video though, some of them can do enough damage with their hands without putting a bat or a nightstick in it.
Back in my clubbing days (late 90s, early 00s) I only ever saw a couple of bouncers splat someone once, so from my personal experience it was rare.
Its a thankless task though, and the idea of being in an environment where it was my job to control young men who were smashed on alcohol and trying to impress their testosterone levels of masculinity on those around them isn't something that appeals to me.
Sure there is the odd psychopath, but I genuinely believe that the vast majority of bouncers would like to have uneventful evenings. Who on earth would like to be involved in a street brawl????
Yeah I'm happy for everyone involved that he didn't hit his head and die, he deserved the first 2 punches and I hope the next time he goes out he has a different attitude, along with other people who've seen this video. Someone potentially having a knife isn't a justification for excessive force though, otherwise that can always be a justification and we'll end up like America where the Police can shoot someone holding a mobile phone because it looked like a gun.
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Not at all. In fact the line of what the Police are taught is reasonable force is often well above what a significant minority think it is, which is why I have these conversations. What parliament, the courts and the police think is reasonable often seems OTT to some people. I'm not trying to move any goalposts, they're already in a reasonable place.
I agree, but someone who has shown they are violent and intent on attacking you who potentially has a knife is certainly justification for defending yourself
Does anyone actually feel that he was a real threat after the second punch though? (or after the first one?). I think it's excessive because putting someone down for good isn't the same as neutralising a rowdy drunk outside of a club (which is what he's paid for, not protecting the public from drunks).