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Your doing it wrong then
I mean it's pretty straight forward isn't it?
Vintage/Expensive wine - it's all a big con isn't it?
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I mean it's pretty straight forward isn't it?
whats so good about the rothschilds wine? apart from their name.
lets face it wine is basically buying a brand. more expensive = obviously better
Perhaps its better to be ignorant of these things. At the moment I can enjoy a nice cheap bottle of wine but if I go and splash out a few hundred on a fancy bottle that is OMG amazing then my cheap bottle will seem naff. Will end up in debt trying to keep on the OMG wine and have to live on the streets offering sexual favours for one more sip.
@BDEE - spill the beans! What are you drinking?
A £5 bottle of wine will still get you ****** just as well as a £100 bottle will however that’s not really the point. Part of the joy of wine is finding grapes and regions that you love and then searching for growers who turn that into an amazing drink. It’s enjoying the complexity and the journey of finding that which is fun and tastes delicious. That can range from drinking fabulous (fabulously expensive) claret to amazing “terrace wine” in the Italian hills for a euro a litre.
A £5 bottle of wine will still get you ****** just as well as a £100 bottle will however that’s not really the point. Part of the joy of wine is finding grapes and regions that you love and then searching for growers who turn that into an amazing drink. It’s enjoying the complexity and the journey of finding that which is fun and tastes delicious. That can range from drinking fabulous (fabulously expensive) claret to amazing “terrace wine” in the Italian hills for a euro a litre.
https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/p/24383/dalmore-constellation-1964-cask-09693
I wondered this about the super expensive whiskey. This £42k whiskey must taste amazing...
I wondered this about the super expensive whiskey. This £42k whiskey must taste amazing...
I hope you don’t mind, but I fixed that for you. WhiskEy is from Ireland. Whisky is from Scotland. Both can be good, if you like that sort of thing.
You’d be surprised how irate whisky/whiskey aficionados get about an E.
Absolutely not. You should sign up for a Wine and Spirits Education Trust (WSET) course and get educated so that you know how to appreciate the various price points. WSET level 1 covers the basics and 7 grape varieties. WSET 2 covers 25 types of light wines and covers 75 types of light wine. It’s incredible how obvious many things are when they are pointed out and then you taste it for yourself.
It will utterly revolutionise your wine buying experience. You’d be surprised at the total nonsense you hear people whispering to each other as they stand there, terrorised by their own ignorance. My personal favourite was “No, she doesn’t like Chardonnay, she likes Chablis”. All Chablis being from the Chardonnay variety, as I’m sure you know. And don’t get me started on Champagne.....
Have to say (really) expensive whisky isn't for me - upto a few hundred I've found some good ones with a deep multi-layered impact in taste and texture but above that they seem to be ever increasingly finding new depths of sour and the range of flavour and texture more limited even if the flavours that are present are more intensified.
I think a lot of these super-high-end wines and spirits are aimed at people who just want something so rare and unusual they can use it as a discussion point in their lives.
There must come a point for the ultra-rich that they have tried pretty much everything. So when something supposedly better comes along, that is ultra, ultra, rare or better still, unique, then they can pull it out at a dinner party and say “I’ve got the only remaining bottle of Dalmore Constellation 1964 from the first cask that was filled in 1964 so it is the oldest 1964 in existence”. And everyone will ooh and ahh, add a bit of ice and soda and pronounce it excellent. Which it might be. But then again, it probably won’t be.
There must come a point for the ultra-rich that they have tried pretty much everything. So when something supposedly better comes along, that is ultra, ultra, rare or better still, unique, then they can pull it out at a dinner party and say “I’ve got the only remaining bottle of Dalmore Constellation 1964 from the first cask that was filled in 1964 so it is the oldest 1964 in existence”. And everyone will ooh and ahh, add a bit of ice and soda and pronounce it excellent. Which it might be. But then again, it probably won’t be.
If you "earn," sorry I mean, take more from your employees, you will spend more on stuff to fill your otherwise dull life. If you earn less you buy special brew. Everyone is just trying to numb the emotional pain of life.
Wine has a long, near mystical history and goes hand in hand with decadence and culture. To be able to buy into that gives you a sense of well-being and reassurance that you are better than the next man after all.
You drank wine if you lived in a country capable of growing grapes.
You drank wine when your cultural adapted and trade brought it to your shores.
You drank wine to show just how cultural you were. How better you were.
Come forward a few centuries cheap mass production floods the whole world with wine, everyone can drink wine. Wine is no longer a big deal.
Wine has a long, near mystical history and goes hand in hand with decadence and culture. To be able to buy into that gives you a sense of well-being and reassurance that you are better than the next man after all.
You drank wine if you lived in a country capable of growing grapes.
You drank wine when your cultural adapted and trade brought it to your shores.
You drank wine to show just how cultural you were. How better you were.
Come forward a few centuries cheap mass production floods the whole world with wine, everyone can drink wine. Wine is no longer a big deal.
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I was going to post vehemently disagreeing with this and after some reflection, maybe I don’t disagree. Some cultures just have “wine”. I’m particularly thinking of France, Spain, Portugal and Italy. Places like the UK, North America and maybe Sweden don’t have a “wine with every meal” culture so we don’t appreciate it in the way we do beer, ale or cider, because historically we drank beer or ale with every meal.
At some point (possibly due to taxation) wine became very expensive in the UK (and in Scandinavia) to the point where it became the preserve of the rich or the special occasion. So I disagree with your statement as regards countries with a wine culture but I completely agree about some Northern European countries.
Germany has both good wine and good beer. German wines are not popular with wine snobs. Discuss.
What's the chinese drink of choice?
Do they historically have wine producers.
I've always seen wine as a Mediterranean coast export.
German wine is popular in Sweden ironically...
I've been to a few parties and see black tower bottles aplenty. Doesn't seem to suffer from the same lambasting it get in the UK.
However we, British, do tend to hate most things German by default.
Do they historically have wine producers.
I've always seen wine as a Mediterranean coast export.
German wine is popular in Sweden ironically...
I've been to a few parties and see black tower bottles aplenty. Doesn't seem to suffer from the same lambasting it get in the UK.
However we, British, do tend to hate most things German by default.
Black Tower is a bit like Yellow Label Cabernet Sauvignon, it’s highly consistent, very drinkable and reasonably priced, so it’s a bit of a safe choice. One one hand it’s really dull. But if you don’t want to upset anyone, it’s great.
Chinese wine drinking
Interesting read for me, way off topic though.
Interesting read for me, way off topic though.
Just because all Chablis are Chardonnay, it does not logically follow that all Chardonnay are Chablis
I’m not sure what point you are making. Chablis, and Champagne, are regional DOC wines and to comply with the DOC they must be made from Chardonnay grapes. For someone to say they don’t like Chardonnay, but they like Chablis is not possible because by definition if they like Chablis, they are drinking Chardonnay. Whether or not they might have drunk another Chardonnay (a new world one which would typically be described as having tropical fruit notes rather than citrus fruit) is irrelevant. They didn’t know what they were talking about. Your point would valid if they had said “She doesn’t like New World Chardonnay but she likes Chablis”.
I disagree, she may not like all Chardonnay, only Chablis, therefore the statement is not necessarily incorrect. I'm not disputing they probably didn't know what they were talking about, but that wasn't a very good example to use.