Jag XF 3.0D - 270 BHP (2010-2013)

AHarvey

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Hi All,

Brother is looking at replacing his 2.0 Audi A4 for another saloon with a bit of poke. He's narrowed it down to a Jaguar XF

I've no experience with them but what are they like as a daily? He's sent the figures over and for the money, it looks impressive on paper, decent MPG, average tax, he's looking at a remap to push it north of 310BHP but is there a big market for modding these cars?

He commutes roughly 40 miles a day, A roads and motorways, likes a comfortable ride but also likes to put his foot down now and then.

What are we talking for average service costs, brakes, etc?

Anything to watch out for and is the facelift model worth it?

Thanks
 
Every time I have tested an XF with the 3.0D including the latest model, I have seen real world fuel economy of high 20s to low 30s.

I managed high 30s at an absolute push on a 2017 demo XFS. The trip computer showed the previous trip profiles achieving 20s to low 30s.
 
I had one of these, you'll get high 30's to very low 40's on a roads and motorways, but I think I averaged 37 across the 18 months I had mine.

@Scrutinize, how on earth were you driving them? :eek: Across my 3 years of XF ownership, I must have driven about 10 different 3 litre XF models from 2013 up to 2016 and all of them would easily achieve 38-40mpg without much thought.

As for ownership, they are great cars just expect lots of niggly things to go wrong. The model you are looking at has a truly awful infotainment system both to look at and to use, but to drive they are great fun and especially that engine
 
I tried one of these... found them woeful... I doubt he will notice any substantial change in poke from his current 2.0 diesel.

Don't know how they made it quite so badly.

Similar money to a 530d of a similar age... and that's a much better car in many ways. Especially the engine and gearbox.

I also saw fuel economy just under 30mpg and I wasn't being silly with it.
 
Thanks for the feedback so far, I think he's going to look at some this weekend and wants me to pop along, I've a bit more experience with more powerful cars than him and he wants my feedback.

As for a 530d, he hates BMW's, with a passion. I'm surprised that it's considered a much better car because in all the reviews I've read there is little to nothing in it, with the comfort while driving one of the biggest sticking points. The BMW being a harder ride.

2.0d A4 is 100 bhp less and takes 3 seconds longer to get to 60 so i'd be surprised if there wasn't a big difference.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/12/19/autocar-review-jaguar-xf-3-0d-s-vs-bmw-530d/
 
crinkleshoes said:
I tried one of these... found them woeful... I doubt he will notice any substantial change in poke from his current 2.0 diesel.

Don't know how they made it quite so badly.

Similar money to a 530d of a similar age... and that's a much better car in many ways. Especially the engine and gearbox.

I also saw fuel economy just under 30mpg and I wasn't being silly with it.
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This is nonsense. For a start the gearbox is the same ZF box. I had a 3.0D S Portfolio for 3 years and quality wise it was fine, they have got subsequently worse so the latest ones feel cheap. Mine did just over 35mpg over the 3 years I had it. Admittedly the interface for the infotainment is dire and performs sluggishly so that is my only complaint but the B&W sound system is great. The XF will feel far more comfortable though as VAG have no idea how to damp a car properly.

I’ve had an XF and an XJ and now have a 640d GC and the engine in the BMW is more fuel efficient for sure but for driving experience day to day there’s nothing in it. Perhaps it’s not fair to the BMW because I have gone down a class but I honestly don’t get what all the fuss is about.
 
AHarvey said:
As for a 530d, he hates BMW's, with a passion. I'm surprised that it's considered a much better car because in all the reviews I've read there is little to nothing in it, with the comfort while driving one of the biggest sticking points. The BMW being a harder ride.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2015/12/19/autocar-review-jaguar-xf-3-0d-s-vs-bmw-530d/
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For a start that isn't the XF you are looking at - its the all-new model released in 2015. The model you are looking at first appeared in 2007 as a competitor to then-current E60 5 Series, a car thats origins are now some 15 years old. So being 'as good' as a 15 year old 5 Series is somewhat less impressive.

I have limited experience with the original XF but did put almost 3000 miles on the current model XF last year and frankly it was a very disappointing car. I too have read the glowing press reviews and cannot understand how they have reached the conclusion that the XF was even half as good as the competition let alone as good. It was like driving a top of the range Hyundai and not a premium brand saloon. It had all the kit but everything was put together as an afterthought, nothing seemed to integrate properly and the entire infotainment system felt like it had been contracted out to one of those firms that makes the Ebay Double DIN head units. The interior wasn't screwed together particularly well either and almost nothing about it felt high end.

It did, however, have an excellent engine and gearbox combination and the 2 litre diesel engine was very refined and very efficient - as good if not better than the BMW alternative.

I was glad to get back into my 5 Series which although is a 2015 car is now the previous model - the current XF now competes with the new 5 Series. It was nothing like as good as my car and having just spent some time in the new 5 Series this week it baffles me that it could even begin to compare favourably to that.

The original XF probably makes a good sub £10k buy these days - the E60 is long in the tooth and the XF was fresher at the time.
 
Jags a classy, bmw are work horses for idiots with how some of them are driven.

From that vs link above, the bmw looks outdated while the jag still looking fresh, but given that you spend more time in the car, you need to make sure the interiors is up to your standards and the level of luxury is acceptable and if it has some computer setup via a touchscreen then you need to make sure you can live with it. I’m not used to those sort of entertainment systems, only experienced the brand new and previous gen Range Rover evogue(my mums partner has one) and my Peugeot 2008 and while the Range Rover has better spec to my spec being the highest feline model and so aside from the extra stuff the entertainment system does, my pug feels as slow and as responsive when navigating the touchscreen, but both interiors are great to look at, dont know if jag shares the same system as Range Rover, but I could happily live with the one in the evogue, so also worth checking them out before decided on what car to settle for.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Because the BMW is the previous generation model whereas the Jaguar is a current generation product... the BMW isn't sold anymore, the Jaguar is.
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Ah right, well either way the BMW’s look boring, if you want luxury and class, then the jag is the ticket in these choices
 
Jag is about the chassis dynamics from the little fish in the sea. It’s no surprise that attribute didn’t shine through for Fox - nor with the entry infotainment spec when anything BMW always has to have business. It’s the same deal when you don’t have touchPro. Still not as good as iDrive granted.
 
ExoMale said:
Ah right, well either way the BMW’s look boring, if you want luxury and class, then the jag is the ticket in these choices
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The BMW has a higher level of comfort. The seats are much better.

The F-Type, XF & XE seats aren't great.

XJ & XKR are much better.

Static M-Sport suspension isn't as soft, you'll feel more bumps - but at this age, I think quite a few models have adjustable suspension and on normal/comfort, the BMW has a similar ride quality but much better handling, the XF really felt like a big boat. Wallowy and uncertain.

Jonnycoupe said:
Jag is about the chassis dynamics from the little fish in the sea. It’s no surprise that attribute didn’t shine through for Fox - nor with the entry infotainment spec when anything BMW always has to have business. It’s the same deal when you don’t have touchPro. Still not as good as iDrive granted.
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The BMW has been chassis and handling characteristics.

Like others have mentioned, the infotainment system is particularly poor.

The Meridian sound system wasn't terrible, but again - even the basic BMW package is better.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Actually they were fairly comfortable - as least as comfortable as those in the 5 Series. Mind you I don't rate the 5 Series seats massively for comfort.
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I found them a bit lacking in lower-back support & they're so flat, you move around a lot.

I've experienced much worse though.

The BMW comfort seats especially hug you nicely and keep you in place.
 
crinkleshoes said:
I tried one of these... found them woeful... I doubt he will notice any substantial change in poke from his current 2.0 diesel.

Don't know how they made it quite so badly.

Similar money to a 530d of a similar age... and that's a much better car in many ways. Especially the engine and gearbox.

I also saw fuel economy just under 30mpg and I wasn't being silly with it.
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Was this just before or after the Lambo V10 test?
 
Well, we didn't have time to see any this weekend due to his work.

I've passed on the feedback and watched quite a few "things i hate, things I like" videos on Youtube about them. He says he's just after a decent platform and things like seats etc will be changed if he doesn't like them, same as the infotainment system (not sure how due to the design) but tbh, I've never known him keep a car standard so nothing will surprise me with him.
 
AHarvey said:
He says he's just after a decent platform and things like seats etc will be changed if he doesn't like them, same as the infotainment system (not sure how due to the design) but tbh
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Yeah...I think he needs to look at a different car then. Imagine an XF with an eBay Double DIN special...Christ...:eek:
 
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