So, 19th March GDC Nvidia Key Note

FoxEye · 3 Feb 2018 at 11:38

JediFragger said:
You do realise that he's pulling these figures out of his arse, don't you?

My secret deep mole leaked to me the info about the nVidia branded bag of peanuts for £150. How dare you insinuate I was speculating/guessing.

In fairness I this whole thread is about "what do you think"... nV in recent times have been super tight-lipped and taken us all by surprise. So what do we have to talk about except, as you so delicately put it, things we dredged up from our butts?

FoxEye · 3 Feb 2018 at 11:40

melmac said:
That would completely go against their naming scheme. For example GTX 480, 4 is the generation of the card, 580, 5th generation, 1080 - 10 is the tenth generation etc. The logical thing would be 11 as it's the 11th generation of cards.

They have never just picked random numbers before. What would the 20 mean? it's not 20 years in business, it's not their 20 generation of cards.

Maybe you are right but I just don't see it happening.

So how do you explain all the previous times when nV have ditched their existing "naming scheme" and started again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce

Also you say the 480 is the "4th generation". Of what? nV have had many, many many more than 4 generations of GPUs before the 480. Going back to the Riva TNT2, and before that even.

This is a good article which shows what generation we're really at
http://www.tomshardware.com/picturestory/715-history-of-nvidia-gpus.html

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 12:25

FoxEye said:
So how do you explain all the previous times when nV have ditched their existing "naming scheme" and started again?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce

Also you say the 480 is the "4th generation". Of what? nV have had many, many many more than 4 generations of GPUs before the 480. Going back to the Riva TNT2, and before that even.

They have only changed their naming scheme once in the last 18 year and that was going from the 9 series to the 100 and 200 series. And I am guessing because 10800 GTX doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or look good on a box.

It's not that hard. 480, 4th generation since the name change, not 4th generation card.

but as I said, maybe you are right and the next generation of cards will be 20 (2080) and the one after that will be 30 (3080) etc etc. I just don't think they will. Because what does the 20 stand for?

One Vision · 3 Feb 2018 at 12:35

Hi Can somebody tell me what the next gpu from Pascal or Volta is and when its rumoured to arrive?

FoxEye · 3 Feb 2018 at 12:47

melmac said:
They have only changed their naming scheme once in the last 18 year and that was going from the 9 series to the 100 and 200 series. And I am guessing because 10800 GTX doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or look good on a box.

Hehehe. What you've just said there is that they changed their naming scheme for marketing purposes. QED.

Telecaster · 3 Feb 2018 at 13:18

melmac said:
They have only changed their naming scheme once in the last 18 year and that was going from the 9 series to the 100 and 200 series. And I am guessing because 10800 GTX doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or look good on a box.

It's not that hard. 480, 4th generation since the name change, not 4th generation card.

but as I said, maybe you are right and the next generation of cards will be 20 (2080) and the one after that will be 30 (3080) etc etc. I just don't think they will. Because what does the 20 stand for?

Why did we go from 7 series to 9 series with no 8 series?

hyperseven · 3 Feb 2018 at 13:58

Telecaster said:
Why did we go from 7 series to 9 series with no 8 series?

Mobile was the 8 series

Kaapstad · 3 Feb 2018 at 14:15

melmac said:
They have only changed their naming scheme once in the last 18 year and that was going from the 9 series to the 100 and 200 series. And I am guessing because 10800 GTX doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or look good on a box.

It's not that hard. 480, 4th generation since the name change, not 4th generation card.

but as I said, maybe you are right and the next generation of cards will be 20 (2080) and the one after that will be 30 (3080) etc etc. I just don't think they will. Because what does the 20 stand for?

They have just changed their naming scheme in the last couple of months with the Titan V.

For all we know they could carrying on doing this with the next gen of cards called something like

V 60
V 70
V 80
V 80 Ti

And so on.

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 14:23

Kaapstad said:
They have just changed their naming scheme in the last couple of months with the Titan V.

For all we know they could carrying on doing this with the next gen of cards called something like

V 60
V 70
V 80
V 80 Ti

And so on.

You can't base it off the Titan card as the Titan cards have always been named differently. Titan X, Titan Black, Titan xP, Titan Z now Titan V.

The naming of the Titan cards has never affected the naming of the other cards.

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 14:32

FoxEye said:
Hehehe. What you've just said there is that they changed their naming scheme for marketing purposes. QED.

No, It actually proves your argument wrong. Because if they change their naming scheme because one number sounds like a bigger jump then the other, then surely 10800 GTX is much better than GTX 280. Based on your argument, they would have went with 10800 GTX. Whereas what they actually did is move to a more manageable numbering scheme.

You are saying it's going to be 20. In all previous naming schemes the numbers have meant something. So tell me what would the 20 mean?

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 14:34

Telecaster said:
Why did we go from 7 series to 9 series with no 8 series?

There was a disconnect between the mobile parts and desktop parts. The 8 series was all mobile parts and brought the naming schemes of both in line with each other.

Ah, Sorry Hyperseven answered already.

TeraVirus · 3 Feb 2018 at 15:13

Kaapstad said:
NVidia's next gen of cards are rumoured to be very poor at mining as they won't share all the features of the Titan V my source in Cape Town tells me.

I honestly hope this is true.

Kaapstad · 3 Feb 2018 at 15:19

melmac said:
You can't base it off the Titan card as the Titan cards have always been named differently. Titan X, Titan Black, Titan xP, Titan Z now Titan V.

The naming of the Titan cards has never affected the naming of the other cards.

This is the first time that NVidia have named the Titan after the architecture it is based on (Volta).

So yes they have changed their naming scheme in this case.

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 15:32

Kaapstad said:
This is the first time that NVidia have named the Titan after the architecture it is based on (Volta).

So yes they have changed their naming scheme in this case.

Second time, Titan xP? But, even still, the naming of the Titan has never affected the number scheme they have used for other cards.

The Titan V is similar to the Titan Z then the last few Titans as it's more a compute card than a gaming card. And it's price reflects that. Also, with the Next round of consumer GPUS rumored to be Ampere, it's even more unlikely that the Titan V name will have any bearing on what the 1080/1070 etc. replacements will be called.

StarShock · 3 Feb 2018 at 15:37

Telecaster said:
Why did we go from 7 series to 9 series with no 8 series?

as I understand it the 1st gen Maxwell was more efficient than Kepler, but not faster. So the 800 series was used in mobile GPUs (I think the only desktop gpus were the 750/750ti).

2nd gen Maxwell was then the 900 series

Kaapstad · 3 Feb 2018 at 16:01

melmac said:
Second time, Titan xP? But, even still, the naming of the Titan has never affected the number scheme they have used for other cards.

The Titan V is similar to the Titan Z then the last few Titans as it's more a compute card than a gaming card. And it's price reflects that. Also, with the Next round of consumer GPUS rumored to be Ampere, it's even more unlikely that the Titan V name will have any bearing on what the 1080/1070 etc. replacements will be called.

You got the X and P round the wrong way it is Xp which is not exactly naming it after Pascal as there is no X in it.

The Titan V is also nothing like the Titan Z as it is not a dual card and also the Titan V packs a far higher % of DP cores than the Titan Z.

Having said that my Titan V is running exactly the same drivers as any of the 10 series cards, you don't have to update the drivers when you change cards so I think that makes the Titan V a gaming card.

The truth is none of us know what NVidia will call their next gen cards, we can only guess but that does not mean you should try and block out other peoples guesses.

I think the "GTX V 80" sounds rather good. Even better the "GTX V8" has a nice ring to it.

melmac · 3 Feb 2018 at 16:50

Kaapstad said:
You got the X and P round the wrong way it is Xp which is not exactly naming it after Pascal as there is no X in it.

The Titan V is also nothing like the Titan Z as it is not a dual card and also the Titan V packs a far higher % of DP cores than the Titan Z.

Having said that my Titan V is running exactly the same drivers as any of the 10 series cards, you don't have to update the drivers when you change cards so I think that makes the Titan V a gaming card.

The truth is none of us know what NVidia will call their next gen cards, we can only guess but that does not mean you should try and block out other peoples guesses.

I think the "GTX V 80" sounds rather good. Even better the "GTX V8" has a nice ring to it.

Sorry Kaap, I understand that the Titan V is not a dual card and not as powerful. That wasn't my point. It's the last Titan card that was aimed more at professional workloads than games. And whether it uses gaming drivers or not doesn't change any of the facts. It's a compute card, designed to fill the gap between Tesla cards and the last two Titan cards which weren't really compute focused.

And the Titan V isn't a gaming card. Can you game on it? Sure. But, that's not it's primary focus. And it's where, Nvidia has positioned the card, as a cheaper workstation card according to what Nvidia themselves told the review sites.

But, We are having a discussion about naming schemes. You came into the discussion to point out that they have changed their naming scheme because they changed the name of the Titan V. I am just making the point that the Titan naming scheme has never changed the names of the other cards. In fact, the Titan name has changed every time apart from once. There was the Titan, Titan Black, Titan Z, Titan X, Titan X, Titan Xp, Titan V.

It would seem very unlikely that they would start basing the names of other cards on the Titan brand. I mean if you were a betting man, would you bet on the V80, V60, V80Ti, V70, v50? V30? etc been the names of the next cards?

I am not blocking out anybody else's guesses. I have questioned why people think their guesses are right and they have questioned why I think they are going to be right. It's just a discussion.

StarShock · 3 Feb 2018 at 17:37

I think we may be barking up the wrong tree completely with the new naming scheme. The market has changed now. I think its likely they will change the naming accordingly. "The nvidia megahash 80 ti"

FoxEye · 3 Feb 2018 at 17:56

melmac said:
No, It actually proves your argument wrong. Because if they change their naming scheme because one number sounds like a bigger jump then the other, then surely 10800 GTX is much better than GTX 280. Based on your argument, they would have went with 10800 GTX. Whereas what they actually did is move to a more manageable numbering scheme.

You are saying it's going to be 20. In all previous naming schemes the numbers have meant something. So tell me what would the 20 mean?

The naming schemes have never meant anything, except in your head. You keep saying that the 480 is nVidia's "4th gen" card. 4th gen of what? There were > 4 generations of GPUs and video cards before that.

Also when they renamed the G92 from 8800GT to 9800GT to GTS 250, how is that consistent according to your world view? Same chip, new generation, so how can they just use a completely different naming scheme? (Answer: because they can. Naming schemes on the box mean nothing).

I said they aren't tied to increasing the part of the name before 80,70,60 by one each gen. They aren't. They can skip from 1080 to 2080 if they want. I personally think it's likely they will. But if they don't it's certainly nothing to do with the 11xx series being "11th generation". What does that even mean?

There is no reason for the naming schemes (on the box) except that the marketing dept think they will resonate with consumers. That is the ONLY reason they name cards as they do.

e: Lastly, there is prior art to consider. Intel's CPUs. "1st gen" were 3-digit such as 920, 970. "2nd gen" moved to 4-digits. 2500k, etc. After that the 1st digit increased by one. 3570, 4690, etc. Because... marketing. No other reason.

Greebo · 3 Feb 2018 at 18:07

I think they will drop all numbers this series and go with names such as Nvidia “the best”, “manic miner” and “deep pockets”. Numbers are old hat