Tesla has ruined cars for me.

VincentHanna said:
I find it strange that a Gen 2 Leaf can 'only' do 89 MPH and yet a Model 3 can do 140Mph as well.

I know you can't actually use that speed, but did Nissan artificially limit it?
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The new Leaf uses an 80kW, 280N•m motor, which drives the front wheels.

The Model 3 uses a 192kW, 430N•m motor, driving the rear wheels.

The difference goes further than power/acceleration/speed. The Leaf isn't very efficient at high speeds. The Tesla copes far better.

The constant comparisons to the Model 3 really don't do the Leaf any favours to be honest. The Leaf is the same compromised vehicle it always has been (and I state that as a Leaf owner who plans to buy one of the new cars). All they've done is give it a facelift, a bigger battery, a bit more power, and some new toys. The Model 3 is a totally different proposition.
 
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Not really Tesla news, but related as it may be relevant to their vehicles in future. Was reading about a new 350kW charging network being installed across Europe currently, some have been installed already. Porsche's Mission-E may be the first car to actually be compatible with it. It will have an 800v system.

These chargers are based on 500A! Didn't realise that such powerful chargers were being worked on, I thought the 120kW Tesla Superchargers were impressive. A full 80kWh battery charge in less than 14 mins. This news has been around for a while, but it's new to me :p
 
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Fusion said:
Not really Tesla news, but related as it may be relevant to their vehicles in future. Was reading about a new 350kW charging network being installed across Europe currently, some have been installed already. Porsche's Mission-E may be the first car to actually be compatible with it. It will have an 800v system.

These chargers are based on 500A! Didn't realise that such powerful chargers were being worked on, I thought the 120kW Tesla Superchargers were impressive. A full 80kWh battery charger in less than 14 mins. This news has been around for a while, but it's new to me :p
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Got a link for that? :)
 
It's a step in the right direction, but I wouldn't get to excited. Just 400 planned across the EU by 2020, and of course need cars to actually be capable of using them.
It also won't be 14mins to fully charged. It doesn't work like that. It'll be about 15min to 80% then drastically slow down. Just like Tesla they have to tapper as the battery gets that high. In comparison Tesla will break 400 stations in the next week or two in Europe. 378 open 17 under construction and 8 permitted.
And this is the problem with the other car manufactures, they still aren't putting their significant weight behind EVs although it does look like the tide is changing in that regard and for the better, more EVs and more chargers the better.
 
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I'd say huge leaps in already impressive technology and infrastructure is pretty exciting, but then I am a huge technology and engineering geek. It's also nice that the infrastructure is ahead of the vehicles for once.
 
Fusion said:
I'd say huge leaps in already impressive technology and infrastructure is pretty exciting, but then I am a huge technology and engineering geek. It's also nice that the infrastructure is ahead of the vehicles for once.
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that's not what I'm saying at all. but they are not intending to roll this out large scale so even when the one or two planned cars come, there are going to be few chargers available.
it'll be far more exciting where they get behind the future and properly invest.
 
Designing the chargers are also the easy bit, actually having the batteries that will accept 350kw charge over and over again without just nuking the battery is much more challenging.

I just don't see an 80-100Kw Porsche Mission E being able to do it either. The battery is just too small to accept that kind of power using current technologies. I can see it being possible in something like the 200kw Tesla Roadster.

Tesla advertise there cars can pull 120kw at the superchargers but they only do so at peek and older cars can no longer achieve it.

As others have said 400 chargers over all of Europe is nothing.
 
Is there enough lithium in the world for this electric revolution?

There's plenty of crude oil left to burn anyway.

Get a 335d, it's way more practical.
 
neocon said:
Is there enough lithium in the world for this electric revolution?
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Yes/no/irrelevant.

It's a wobbly area. We know there's enough to sustain the industry for decades, possibly more depending on the expansion of new mining operations. And you can, in theory, recover the Lithium and other rare-earth metals from old batteries. But without a reliable recycling program, it's less than 50 years of supply.

Moving away from using Lithium in products that have an easy substitute could extend the available supply for batteries. It's also quite possible that Lithium Ion will seem antiquated within a decade. There is considerable research focus on creating batteries that use rare materials in much smaller quantities, or forego them altogether.

It's something of an unknown at the moment. Lithium supply shouldn't be a problem, but it could be.
 
Fusion said:
Not really Tesla news, but related as it may be relevant to their vehicles in future. Was reading about a new 350kW charging network being installed across Europe currently, some have been installed already. Porsche's Mission-E may be the first car to actually be compatible with it. It will have an 800v system.

These chargers are based on 500A! Didn't realise that such powerful chargers were being worked on, I thought the 120kW Tesla Superchargers were impressive. A full 80kWh battery charge in less than 14 mins. This news has been around for a while, but it's new to me :p
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You realize what kind demands these charging speeds are going to put to electricity production/network unless cars are charged pretty evenly throughout the day.

And that 80kWh is still less energy than in 10 liters of gasoline...


satchef1 said:
It's something of an unknown at the moment. Lithium supply shouldn't be a problem, but it could be.
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One thing is certain and that is heavy price pressure on Lithium.
 
It's amazing how much resistance there is from some people towards getting an electric car. My sister has had her current car from new for 10 years and done 19k miles, she commutes by bus and her car literally just goes to the shops. Looking at new cars I suggested an electric and she dismissed my suggestion out of hand without even considering it.

The gf works less than a mile away from home and apart from her tiny commute she uses her car to visit her parents once per week 12 miles away. When I suggested an electric she reacted as if I'd asked her to get a hoverboard!
 
Electric cars are all fine and dandy and I love the concept, but they're pretty much just useless lumps of metal if you can't charge them and living in a mid-terrace house with the car parked on the road charging is a big no-no here Well unless you're expecting people to trail wires through their letterboxes and across the pavement, and that's assuming you're able to park in front of your house.
 
Wizzfizz said:
I think they're out of this world
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Fusion said:
How so? Perhaps you should tell Porsche?
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Have Porche actually said their Mission E will make use of the full charging potential or are Porche just being sensible and futureproofing the charging network they are building?
 
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