Kids outdoor playgym

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So im looking at getting an outdoor playgym (not sure if thats the correct name or not) for my kids. The ones ive seen are around £500 or so and while i dont mind paying this i wondered if anyone had any experiences with them. Do you get good ones and bad ones. For reference this is the kind of thing im looking for
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Built one a few years back for my lad who was only one at the time. Three and a half years later still solid and being used by him all the time. Only maintenance since it was originally put together has been one quick rub down, re-coating of wood stain and dumped another load of rubber chips into it.

For the amount of use it has had by him and friends its been a bargain.

Photo from when it was first finished
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Is that one built from scratch or built from parts from a company, and if so who? I'd quite like a closed house type building so I can keep some of their outdoor toys in.
 
Kit form, lots of wood and hundred upon hundreds of bolts! IIRC it was from Selwood but I don't think they do many (if any) with completely closed houses.

One thing to keep in mind is the overall height, over a certain hight is meant to require planning permission; doubt that would ever be a problem unless you have neighbours who are pain. We were lucky as the section of garden we used is actually about a foot lower then the rest of it.
 
As Movistar has said be mindful that you may well need to gain planning permission from your local authority or hope that no one reports you if you do build or install something similar

As a planning enforcement officer I can tell you that cases involving children’s play structures are utterly depressing as the ones reported to us are usually similar to those shown in the thread and often bigger. They are almost always considered development assesing them on the three tests born through case law:

Size
Permenance
Attachment to the ground

They also fail to benefit from permission by virtue of The Town and County Planning (General Permitted Development) Order 2015 (as amended) [henceforth GPDO] as while the GPDO allows buildings in your garden the GPDO does not allow buildings that provide a raised platform which these almost always have.

Happy to answer any questions relating to planning.

Note: I have assumed that your located in England and Wales, planning legislation is different in Scotland and NI.
 
We bought ours flat packed. Red cedar is what you need.

Ours has been up 5 years and I only felt the need to treat it last year.

Unfortunately I don't have any of the details or where I bought from (I know, I'm useless).
 
That seems like i'd be able to use it as a getaway from the kids:D. In response to the above, i live in england, what are the rules with regards to height and distance from fence or does it vary council to council?
 
That seems like i'd be able to use it as a getaway from the kids:D. In response to the above, i live in england, what are the rules with regards to height and distance from fence or does it vary council to council?

I'll supply you with a more detailed response at lunch time but in short the three tests are case law and should be used by all councils, the GPDO should be used by all Councils. When it comes to express planning permission each Council will have its own development plan which will outline the relevent policies and you would need to see which policies apply to your land.
 
I've never known anything so depressing than planning coming into a discussion about getting kids to play outside, how depressing :(
 
I agree it's ridiculous. I may send my local council an email and see if I need permission. I guess it boils down to if you have an annoying neighbour or not.
 
I built this using telegraph poles and poles with proprietary brackets. We eventually laid sleepers, geotextile and play bark.

It's now been demolished after many years of use by the kids, they loved it, always climbing and swinging. The posts were rotten by the time I took it down another year and I think it would have collapsed in a heap over one of the kids.


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I agree it's ridiculous. I may send my local council an email and see if I need permission. I guess it boils down to if you have an annoying neighbour or not.

Whether you need permission or not has nothign to do with your neighbours. If you need express planning permission from your Council and you apply for permission your neighbours will have the opportunity to send in their representations (for or against your application).
 
Okay as promised planning 101.

The first question is whether said play structure is development or not. How you assess this is based on the three test mentioned above size, permenance, and attachement to the ground. There are various Inspectors decisions that cover this concept and as as is the case for a lot of planning there is no straight answer. When I discuss this concept with owners I use hte example of tents. My son has a pop up tent, that literally takes 5 seconds to zip out throw on the ground and it pops up, he plays in it all day and then at the end of the one sunny summer day we have it gets packed away. This tent is without doubt not development based on its size, permenance and attachment to the ground. No let us say I go to a large hotel with lots of surrounding land. They have erected a large tent, or marquee that is the size of a football pitch, and bolted to the ground and took 10 men all day to erect. When talk to the owner he states that he has erected it to allow the hotel to host large wedddings, when questioned he states that it will be in place indefinetly. This almost certianly development based on its size, permenance and attachement to the ground.

So whether the childrens play structure you want to build needs permission will depend on its size, permenance and attachement to the ground.

If it is not development you don't need permission if it is development you need permission. That permission can either be deemed or expressly granted.

The Town and Country Planning (General Permitted Development) (England) Order 2015 (as amended) [henceforth GPDO] grants permssion for a variety of operational development (things you build) and uses of land.

Class E, Part 1, SChedule 2 of the GPDO allow, subject to the limitations and conditions, permission for buildings in the curtilage (another complicated subject but for now simply consider it a common garden) of a dwellinghouse.

For your convenience I have copied the text below (excuse the formatting) relating to outbuildings:


Class E – buildings etc incidental to the enjoyment of a dwellinghouse

Permitted development

E. The provision within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse of—

(a)

any building or enclosure, swimming or other pool required for a purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse as such, or the maintenance, improvement or other alteration of such a building or enclosure; or
.

(b)

a container used for domestic heating purposes for the storage of oil or liquid petroleum gas.
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Development not permitted

E.1 Development is not permitted by Class E if—

(a)

permission to use the dwellinghouse as a dwellinghouse has been granted only by virtue of Class M, N, P or Q of Part 3 of this Schedule (changes of use);
.

(b)

the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures and containers within the curtilage (other than the original dwellinghouse) would exceed 50% of the total area of the curtilage (excluding the ground area of the original dwellinghouse);
.

(c)

any part of the building, enclosure, pool or container would be situated on land forward of a wall forming the principal elevation of the original dwellinghouse;
.

(d)

the building would have more than a single storey;
.

(e)

the height of the building, enclosure or container would exceed—
.

(i)

4 metres in the case of a building with a dual-pitched roof,
.

(ii)

2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within 2 metres of the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse, or
.

(iii)

3 metres in any other case;
.

(f)

the height of the eaves of the building would exceed 2.5 metres;
.

(g)

the building, enclosure, pool or container would be situated within the curtilage of a listed building;
.

(h)

it would include the construction or provision of a verandah, balcony or raised platform;
.

(i)

it relates to a dwelling or a microwave antenna; or
.

(j)

the capacity of the container would exceed 3,500 litres.
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E.2 In the case of any land within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse which is within—

(a)

an area of outstanding natural beauty;
.

(b)

the Broads;
.

(c)

a National Park; or
.

(d)

a World Heritage Site,
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development is not permitted by Class E if the total area of ground covered by buildings, enclosures, pools and containers situated more than 20 metres from any wall of the dwellinghouse would exceed 10 square metres.
E.3 In the case of any land within the curtilage of the dwellinghouse which is article 2(3) land, development is not permitted by Class E if any part of the building, enclosure, pool or container would be situated on land between a wall forming a side elevation of the dwellinghouse and the boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.
Interpretation of Class E

E.4. For the purposes of Class E, “purpose incidental to the enjoyment of the dwellinghouse as such” includes the keeping of poultry, bees, pet animals, birds or other livestock for the domestic needs or personal enjoyment of the occupants of the dwellinghouse.

For the building to benefit from permission by virtue of the GPDO it must comply with all the limitations and conditions, where these childrens play structures fail is the provision of a raise platform, whether they fail elsewhere will often depend on the specifics of the case.

If the building fails to benefit from permission by virtue of the GPDO it will need express planning permission from your local authority, you would need to look at your local Council's development order, any supplementary planning guidance, which policies apply thttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1990/8/section/171Bo your land and also teh NPPF as to whether they would likely support an application.

It is worth also noting that if you choose to erect the strucure in the hope that no one reports you take dated photograph once it is complete. Four years after the strucutre has been substantially complete it will become immune from enforcement action as per S171B of the Town and Country Planning Act 1990. If you erect the structure without planning permission you do so at your own risk.

Apologies for any formatting or spelling, grammar I have rushed this somewhat in my lunch break. Also whilst I am happy to help it would be sensible to either seek advice from your local authority or seek some independent planning advice from someone local to you, I offer my advice simply as a payback to the forum for help i have received in the past.
 
So as an example this one has dimensions of
  • (A) Width: 3.76m (12ft4)
  • (B) Depth: 2.11m (6ft11)
  • (C) Height: 2.32m (7ft7)
Is the raised platform a problem as the platform is roughly 1 metre from the ground? It will be going in my back garden which has roughly 6 x 6m of grass (an a 1m border of soil on 1 side and along the back and about 3 metres of concrete on the other). The garden has 6 foot fence all the way around so very little would poke over the top.

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With the caveat that I'm only making comment on the image rather than a proper inspection as I would do professionally. I would say that's development.

The legislation doesn't define what a raised platform is however Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) released guidance for interpreting the GPDO and the guidance states that a raised platform is a platform greater in height than 30cm.

So in summary I would say it is development, it doesn't benefit from permission by virtue of the GPDO and you would need express planning permission from your council.
 
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