I acknowledged that a couple of posts later. I'll edit to show this when on a pc.
Sexual assault?
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I'm not suggesting it was, I'm just pointing out that you're also using assumptions to come to a conclusion.
I'm using assumptions to reach an opinion on what I think might have happened, I'm not 'concluding' anything. I'm perfectly entitled to be forming an opinion and my personal opinion doesn't need to be held to an equivalent journalistic standard as a national newspaper.
That was just an example of someone I know that does this. I know more people that do it, people who aren't my mum.
My mum doesn't do this because she's my mum, she does it because it's a part of a series of unconscious gesticulations she does when telling a story.
Just like the other people I know that do it. I just make sure I'm sitting out of reach, because it winds me up being prodded constantly.
My point is that unwanted behaviour doesn't have to be made into something it isn't just because it's unwanted. If someone is doing something to you that you don't want them to do, you tell them to stop, then ask them to leave or remove yourself from the situation, not lament on how you're now some sort of victim.
All it does is undermine incidents of actual abuse or assault.
It's being suggested that unwanted advances such as asking someone out or back to your house is a form of sexual harassment. I get it is actually harassment, but the stories I'm reading are people being asked once or twice.
You are coming to a conclusion that the situation happened differently than what the paper is reporting, you're expressing an opinion on the article. You might not like that particular phrasing, but that's how that word works.
Opinion and conclusion are synonyms... So yes, that's exactly what you're doing.
You're perfectly entitled to an informed opinion, but it doesn't really seem like you're trying to actually inform yourself by looking for different sources of the same story.
I used the wording 'I'd be wholly unsurprised', specifically because I'm not concluding anything did or didn't happen, just that it would not surprise me to learn there was more to the incident than what was initially reported. What follows is my speculation on what that might be.
If saying I wouldn't be surprised by something is equivalent to coming to a conclusion that it happened in your book, then yeah that's what I did if it makes you happy.
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Because of all the accusations that later turn out to be false, after of course the guy's reputation has been trashed.
Conclusion and opinion are synonymous. Words have meaning, and that meaning is rather important.
Yes, the phrase 'I wouldn't be surprised' also has meaning and I used it for a reason, because I wasn't drawing a definite conclusion. Otherwise I'd have just stated what I thought in more definite terms.
The problem is the facts (as much as they can be gleaned) don't match with your view, so your base reaction now that 'all women' are lying in these situations says far more about your misogyny and issues with women than reality
http://theconversation.com/heres-the-truth-about-false-accusations-of-sexual-violence-88049
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I think that's quite high, but accept your point.
As a separate point, I think we're calling things sexual violence which aren't. E.g. the example in this thread I would call 'inappropriate', not 'assault' or 'violence'. I'm not sure what the legal definitions actually are, just my impression of it all.
As a separate point, I think we're calling things sexual violence which aren't. E.g. the example in this thread I would call 'inappropriate', not 'assault' or 'violence'. I'm not sure what the legal definitions actually are, just my impression of it all.
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Originally was against him but then I saw he has never had parking tickets so he must be a stand up guy.
But I never said definite conclusion. Conclusion and opinion has the exact same meaning in this context. I'm highlighting that you did exactly what you said the news site was doing.
exactly - but none of the posters replying and making little of the incident would admit they wouldn't be ok with that. I imagine most would claim to either (a) laugh it off and so would their partner or (b) go all alpha on the other male....when in reality they would most likely do neither.
I'm guessing there's a lot of 'lads' bravado at play in this thread. at least I hope there is, I really do not like the idea of so many (relatively) members of this forum holding such utterly obnoxious views.
Well I can only apologise profusely for any upset that I've caused by not holding myself to the standards of the national press.
Nope. I wouldn't have to do anything in such a situation because my partner can handle herself, and the person would know it was unwanted and unacceptable simply from her reaction alone.
She wouldn't laugh it off, but she definitely wouldn't need psychological counselling to deal with it.
I can't but help but feel that there's a culture emerging of "if ANYTHING happens and you don't like it, that's abuse/assault and you are a victim."
I'm not upset, you're just denying the definition of words.
No I'm not
You said an opinion isn't a conclusion, that's literally denying the definition of words.
No it isn't
If it hasn't dawned on you by now, I rather inevitably grew bored of your petty mission to demonstrate how wrong I was before you did, I just don't give a **** what you think about whether I was being hypocritical or making conclusions.