Caporegime
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Doesn't fit the narrative.
Free speech not allowed
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Doesn't fit the narrative.
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The distinction is that your conversations don't change anything.
The minute you get some traction, you'll be targeted as Islamophobic/racist and will be shut down.
It's literally in the House of Lords video I posted a few links back. Here a longer video about that:
Yeah, but it’s funny innit!
I’d hope a gangster would be tried and jailed for more than a year?
That aside I agree, it’s a slow and slippery slope, along with detention without trial that keeps extending longer and longer. Everyone deserves an open and fair trial by jury at least before detention/jail.
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And before plasting your name all over the news?
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My great grandparents died in a concentration camp, I don't find it offensive, satire and peoples perception of comedy do not offend me in the slightest.
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^Disappointed this wasn't the "fell off a guard tower" joke.
So let me get this straight, you are saying someone coming here championing European values and identity (eg achievements, which is the poster of Generation Identity) is the same as a preacher coming in to call for genuine violence and incitement.
I cannot for the life of me see how you cannot get it. If they were coming in to say drive Muslims out, kill [group]. Fair enough.
There gets thrown in that term again... "Far-right", why not just say what you really want to: Nazi. Being against immigration, 3rd world or Muslim world does not make someone "far-right". Trying to use - what is effectively a soft smear - by painting people such as that hasn't and wont do any favours. Tommy Robinson for example is described as far right. He has this label thrown at him for opposing a violent and virulent strain of literal interpretation of Islamic text and Hadith. He is called a white supremacist, which given his best mate is black... He isn't doing very well. They try the extremist, something that Majid Nawaz the top/head of Quilliam spoke out against saying he was neither a white supremacist nor an extremist. If you think he is, you better take it up with the man who would be best placed to pass that judgement.
This thread was started over a certain community who may be "offended". It goes back to my earlier remark of:
Peaceful religion may become violent if remarks denouncing said peaceful religion are made. Classic case of doublethink
Nope, I’m saying someone coming here preaching hate and violence under the guise of something else (whether that be “European values” or “Islam” - or any other for that matter)is the same as a preacher coming in to call for genuine violence and incitement...
I think the issue here is not that I don’t get something... you are the one in the minority here remember.
Nope, I don’t think he’s a Nazi, not do I think anyone is far right just because they’re against xyz. Being anti immigration doesn’t make you far right, however having certain opinions and doing certain actions because of it may well do. You’re doing what someone was doing earlier in the thread - trying to conflate and mix those with moderate viewpoints with those with extreme viewpoints.
In fact that’s what a fair chunk of people have been doing in the last page of the thread. Perhaps you truly can’t see the difference, but the majority of people likely do, as does the law, which is why making one or two crude jokes does not get you arrested. You have to really step over that line before that actually happens.
Someone complaining about immigrants down the pub is likely not far right, someone gatecrashing a play by asylum seekers, smearing fake blood over everything, resorting to violence and abusing dozens of people, while running a group that are well known for doing other similar and worse things...? Yes, I’d call them far right.
There’s a big distinction there, which you and so many others seem to continuously want to remove.
This thread was started over an Antifa protest and gatecrash of what they considered to be a right wing speaker.
Recently it’s been about several people being banned from the country, at least one of who seems to have a history of gatecrashing and protesting events held by people he doesn’t like...
Now considering the hate towards Antifa for their actions I really don’t understand the constant ignorance and defence of someone that is doing exactly the same thing (in fact worse) by those that complain about Antifa suppressing free speech. Care to enlighten me?
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It's over and justice has not been served instead our courts have decided to imprison freedom of speech in order to satisfy whims of some modern day nazis who wish to censor everything that mildly offends them
Ricky Gervais said it best
When will we ban Monty Python ?
Irony is not lost where the only other government to pursue a dog saluting like a Nazi was..... The Nazi's
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12139150
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amp said:
narrator: he did not.
It does seem pretty dodgy tbh...
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You're arguing with a leaf.
It appears so.
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That man died in Prison, in April we get to learn how he died. Most likely murdered. Can't think of any other reason why this information has been kept from the public for so long.
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So where exactly is this arbitrary line between what you can and can't say?
If anyone knew that it would be a definite line and not an arbitrary/subjective one
Yeah I thought that was going to be the punchline as well.
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A guy was imprisoned for putting bacon on a mosque. They may want to make another example of him. Fortunately for him I don't imagine him being beaten to death by Jews in prison though
There was a bit more to it than that
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That's the point though isn't it? What constitutes grossly offensive? Which word, group it's aimed at, platform used, context etc.
It is a combination of all those things, along with context, intent and prior history.
The law, like morality, is not always black and white and everything has to be analyzed on a case by case basis.