78 year old pensioner arrested for for stabbing burglar (burglar later died in hospital)

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I think this one is definitely GD worthy...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...n-at-house-in-south-east-london-a3805251.html
A pensioner has been arrested after a man was stabbed to death during a break-in at a house in south east London.

Police said they were called to reports of a burglary in Hither Green on Wednesday morning.

Officers said a 78-year-old man found two men inside his house in the small hours. One of the men went upstairs and the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by the other suspect, police said.

OK so we perhaps do need some more details but initial thoughts based on that line are WTF???? This doesn't seem to be a case of a burglar trying to flee and then getting attacked (shot in the back Tony Martin style etc..) but a burglar has actually forced someone into a kitchen against their will - I'd have thought in most circumstances that it would be fair game to grab anything to hand in order to defend yourself there, like a kitchen knife perhaps.

this report by the BBC adds further detail:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43639183
One suspect, armed with a screwdriver, forced the man into his kitchen where a struggle ensued and he was stabbed, Scotland Yard said.

The pensioner, who suffered bruising to his arms, has been arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm.

so not just forced into the kitchen but was threatened with a weapon in his own home...

I'd hope that in most circumstances the charges (if there are charges) would be dropped relatively quickly, but you never know these days... it does seem a bit off no?

He's the victim of a crime that was likely pretty traumatic (especially for a person who is nearly 80), he's suffered injuries from it, had his life threatened with a screwdriver in his own home, seemingly defended himself and and now been arrested!

surely in some circumstances like this a bit of discretion ought to be applied? I mean what if say a young girl were to be raped while being threatened with a weapon and then killed her attacker would the police arrest the girl first?

It doesn't seem like an ideal way of handling it when you're dealing with the victim of a traumatic event, I get that perhaps they've made the arrest to formally question him etc..etc. and (hopefully) if it is, as it seems to be, legitimate self defence then he won't be charged.. but he's an elderly person who's probably in a complete state right now as a result of a situation that was forced upon him and it just doesn't seem right that he's still currently locked up and going through even more stress when he perhaps could do with having family etc.. around him. I doubt he's going to be fleeing the country any time soon etc..
 
A bit early and details are sparse but taking it as reported now, there was a home invasion, attempted robbery, threatened with and actually injured before killing the chap in a scuffle... I would say good on to the old gentleman and the scrote deserves to be dead today.

Let's see how it pans out though.
 
He made the mistake of calling the police. Should have just chucked them out on the street :p

East London, break in. I wouldn't be taking any chances, stab them before they stab you.
 
Someone has died so the Police have to investigate and part of that is arresting the OAP while they question him. Once they have the facts and passed those onto the CPS the case will, if what has been reported is correct, be dropped quickly and the OAP allowed to carry on with their life.
 
Someone has died so the Police have to investigate and part of that is arresting the OAP while they question him. Once they have the facts and passed those onto the CPS the case will, if what has been reported is correct, be dropped quickly and the OAP allowed to carry on with their life.

Yup it seems so, though I'm also questioning whether it is really necessary to put the victim through that right away? I mean do they do this with say rape victims who fight back too? Place them under arrest initially because that is the procedure etc..? They're just doing their job etc.. It doesn't seem ideal.
 
Someone has died so the Police have to investigate and part of that is arresting the OAP while they question him. Once they have the facts and passed those onto the CPS the case will, if what has been reported is correct, be dropped quickly and the OAP allowed to carry on with their life.

Pretty much this. The police are doing their job.
 
I'd assume that they'd have to ascertain whether the intent was to kill or injure. Whilst the old gentleman should be perfectly entitled to defend himself, I'm not sure how I feel about people "deserving" to die for breaking and entering.
 
Yup it seems so, though I'm also questioning whether it is really necessary to put the victim through that right away? I mean do they do this with say rape victims who fight back too? Place them under arrest initially because that is the procedure etc..? It doesn't seem ideal.
They probably would if the victim killed the guy.

It does seem a bit heavy handed at first glance, though.

I think we generally have a good balance in this country on self defence laws. Wouldn't want it to be like USA where shooting fleeing burglars in the back is deemed ok (and the dead burglar's accomplices will be charged with his murder)
 
I'd assume that they'd have to ascertain whether the intent was to kill or injure. Whilst the old gentleman should be perfectly entitled to defend himself, I'm not sure how I feel about people "deserving" to die for breaking and entering.
Breaking, entering whilst armed, threatening someone with a weapon, assaulting someone.
Not just breaking and entering is it!
 
Breaking, entering whilst armed, threatening someone with a weapon, assaulting someone.
Not just breaking and entering is it!
Don't get me wrong, I don't think intruders should be protected, but devils advocate might say that the screw driver wasn't intended as a weapon but simply as a tool to gain access. Certainly the pensioner wasn't injured and was only bruised...surely it's a little unlikely that a 78 year old wouldn't be outmanoeuvred, or injured a little more in the scuffle if the intent was to harm. The intruders should definitely be harshly punished, but I would just worry about a system that went unremittingly down the castle doctrine route.
 
They probably would if the victim killed the guy.

It does seem a bit heavy handed at first glance, though.

indeed, imagine being a family member

"grandad has been attacked in his home"

"omg is he ok, we'd best go and see him"

"ah we can't yet, he's in a police cell in a complete state.... but it is OK they're just doing their job/following procedure"
 
Your assuming he's in a complete state.

Not all 78 year olds are gibbering wrecks.

I'll get more annoyed if he is charged, assuming it's as cut and dry as it currently appears.
 
78 year old pensioner arrested for stabbing burglar

Oh, so what you really meant was '78 year old pensioner arrested for stabbing burglar TO DEATH. Which is how your title should have read, instead of the carefully edited version that makes no reference to the fatal consequences of the stabbing.

Have you considered writing for a tabloid?

indeed, imagine being a family member

"grandad has been attacked in his home"

"omg is he ok, we'd best go and see him"

'Yeah he's OK, currently helping the police with their inquiries, which is perfectly understandable BECAUSE HE STABBED A BURGLAR TO DEATH.'
 
I don't know too much about this but would placing him under arrest also help to safeguard his rights? It would mean that there would have to be certain procedures followed around the questioning and also enshrines his right to counsel? Could be way off but this doesn't feel like the police over-reaching to me.
 
Oh, so what you really meant was '78 year old pensioner arrested for stabbing burglar TO DEATH. Which is how your title should have read, instead of the carefully edited version that makes no reference to the fatal consequences of the stabbing.

Have you considered writing for a tabloid?



'Yeah he's OK, currently helping the police with their inquiries, which is perfectly understandable BECAUSE HE STABBED A BURGLAR TO DEATH.'

eh no one has concealed the fact the burglar died... but he's been arrested for GBH not murder or manslaughter, the stabbing is the reason for the arrest
 
I don't know too much about this but would placing him under arrest also help to safeguard his rights? It would mean that there would have to be certain procedures followed around the questioning and also enshrines his right to counsel? Could be way off but this doesn't feel like the police over-reaching to me.
yep. usual few GDrs making a mess out of nothing.
 
Criminal sustains injuries and later dies while breaking into someones home and threatening them. No tears shed here, hopefully the pensioner will be ok.
 
Arrested for defending his home? great job.

I think if someone breaks in and gets shot or stabbed or whatever it's on them. You take that risk when you break into someones house.
 
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