eh? how many drunk people force someone into their kitchen after threatening them with a screwdriver? How does that happen by accident?
78 year old pensioner arrested for for stabbing burglar (burglar later died in hospital)
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eh? how many drunk people force someone into their kitchen after threatening them with a screwdriver? How does that happen by accident?
not at all. that is the result when you don't even remotely think and hold such views.
and what you said has what to do with any off what was said before?
clue it isnt. re-read what he said and what it would open up. not once did he say anything like reasonable force. Just a blanket right to kill any intruder.
Brilliant.
Sorry officer, I was just accidentally delivering a parcel, with a screwdriver, in the middle of the night?
Way to go out of context.
ha ha, whilst drunk.
where did your post say anything about a screwdrive, or reasonable force or threat? It didn't. It is not out of context at all. It is very much in context with what you wrote.
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A stabbing in which a man died. The when and where doesn't matter if the person died as a direct result of injuries sustained when he was stabbed and as such has no baring on how the person who did the stabbing should be treated in the immediate aftermath.
At best you could assume that it means the 78 year old only used as much force as was necessary to prevent the risk to himself and did not use unnecessary force since if he had the stabbed man is likely to have died at scene.
To be honest I'm not sure what the fuss is about. What else could/should the police have done?
You're just being obtuse for the sake of it. You very well know the context in which my post was made, don't try and pretend otherwise. Every other poster has grasped the concept.
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Not really related to the break in, but did you know Trespassing isn't a criminal offence? It's a civil matter.
If somebody opens your (unlocked) door and enters your house, it's not something the police can do much about if they don't steal anything or harm anyone. And though you are allowed to use "reasonable force" to remove them, homeowners have a duty of care to ensure they don't come to any harm!
It's only when the break in that it becomes an actual crime.
If somebody opens your (unlocked) door and enters your house, it's not something the police can do much about if they don't steal anything or harm anyone. And though you are allowed to use "reasonable force" to remove them, homeowners have a duty of care to ensure they don't come to any harm!
It's only when the break in that it becomes an actual crime.
Very much this! Law needs to change, if you break into someones house ANY force is necessary
eh? Again, you were talking about him being arrested because someone died:
it doesn't appear to have happened that way.. it seems (at least according to earlier reports of him being arrested for GBH) he was arrested and then the person died... i.e. the fact the person died isn't the initial reason for his arrest, the stabbing is... it is a straightforward point, I don't know why it has taken several posts for you to still not get it.
(again, as a disclaimer, this is on the assumption that the person acted reasonably)
In terms of what else could they have done - perhaps not drag a nearly 80 year old man off in the early hours of the morning to lock him in a cell and/or question him after he's just had his life threatened in his own home, scuffled with a burglar etc.. a rather traumatic event.
AFAIK they can question someone under caution without arresting them.
So, if there is something else that has yet to be reported, as a reason for his immediate arrest then that is one thing, but otherwise (if it is as some posters have mentioned earlier, just procedure, just doing their job etc..etc.. ) then it does seem like a rather ****ty way to treat a victim of a crime.
screwdrivers don't kill people, people kill people.
lol, the angrier you get the more unintelligible your posts are.
some more details here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/04/suspected-burglar-dies-tussle-pensioner-78/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/04/suspected-burglar-dies-tussle-pensioner-78/
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Is it possible they were going to prank him by building him a new IKEA bed and wardrobe?
It has to be dealt with on a case by case basis. Otherwise you could just kill anyone in your house.
That's funny seeing as theres zero anger.
Read what he wrote, again there's no reasonable forces nothing about screwdrivers nothing. Just a legal right to kill intruders regardless of anything else. So my post is very much on point. If he wants to clarify and water it down, then you essentially end up with what we have now.
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I don't see what relevance the fact the guy didn't die immediately has on the way the police dealt with it. He was ultimately arrested because his actions lead to the death of someone else despite the original arrest for GBH. The 2 aren't unconnected.
The only way to determine, asyour disclaimer requires, if the 78 year old acted reasonably is to investigate. Arresting the suspect of a potential crime does several important things. It prevents the suspect from tampering with the scene and or witnesses while the police investigate, it prevents the suspect from disappearing, it ensures the suspect is made fully aware of their rights and it allows the police to question them more formally. It seems to me that following proceedure is not an unreasonable thing to do given that a man was grievously injured and subsequently died of the injuries sustained. Id hope the police have treated the elderly man with compassion and care, he is, after all also the victim of crime and likely to be shaken butthey c
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Not deserving as such but do you care? I care more about the slug I accidently stood on this morning.
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