Just want to be minted.

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HangTime said:
And to build on that, the recognised value that you deliver is arguably even more important. I've seen scenarios before where senior management have expressed gratitude for a piece of work / resolving a problem, but they may be oblivious to other activity that has arguably given more value to the business. Mid-level managers may be able to identify that, but often they won't have the authority to financially recognise that and/or not all organisations have adequate development frameworks for their staff, so exceptional performers are not developed and eventually leave.

If I contrast my current employer with the first one I had after uni, the difference is night and day when it comes to the processes around gathering feedback, assessing performance, identifying and developing talent etc.
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I find this to be a major problem at my workplace, which is surprising considering the size of the company I'm employed by.

I think the issues stem from the sheer small size of.my site, nonkne actually cares about it
 
willhub said:
How do these people get so minted easily????

I'm on 23k at the moment, and it's not enough, but trying to increase wage seems like either management jobs or jobs that just seem extremely difficult and taxing that wouldn't really be worth the hassle.
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This paragraph is pretty telling.

Plenty of work in Manchester. Film/tv industry is mid boom right now. Train to be a gaffer and work for 600 a day bottom end. Even grip are making bank.
 
bloodiedathame said:
You're much more likely to make your riches working for yourself than for someone else.
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Yes. But be prepared to work 16 hour days.

However, that isn't as bad if what you are working on you care about / is something you are passionate about. Also you don't have a boss breathing down your neck and you can have a casual 5 minute chat to a mate on the phone etc.

So it has its perks.
 
kindai said:
I know someone like this, mid 50's and mortgage due in 5-6 years. More credit/store cards than they can fit in a wallet. Interest only mortgage and all the endowments are being used to remove the credit/store card debt, which they then have to spend to live day to day.

Yet they insist on spending 100 quid a week on going to a fancy restaurant, 50 quid a week on getting nails done, 120 quid every 2 weeks at the hairdresser, always getting amazon parcels delivered. The latest smartphones etc.

They just had a 50k or so extension done on the house, which has put them into negative equity as well.

I tried to help them out a few years ago but showing how they could re-organize their finances with easy changes, but theyd rather wait until the clock hits zero. Will be frikkin hilarious when it blows up.
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People like that always seem to find a way to get themselves out of trouble. I have family like that. One daft financial decision after another for decades. Bankruptcies, unpaid taxes, business partners suing, ex wives suing, yet somehow they're still surviving, still seemingly happy. Obviously they have zero self awareness and bath in glorious ignorance, but in the end of they day they're not going hungry or homeless. Seems to be the odd crisis every few years, a few months of struggling and they're well away with the next scheme. Must be an awesome feeling being as accepting of life like that.
 
regulus said:
People like that always seem to find a way to get themselves out of trouble. I have family like that. One daft financial decision after another for decades. Bankruptcies, unpaid taxes, business partners suing, ex wives suing, yet somehow they're still surviving, still seemingly happy. Obviously they have zero self awareness and bath in glorious ignorance, but in the end of they day they're not going hungry or homeless. Seems to be the odd crisis every few years, a few months of struggling and they're well away with the next scheme. Must be an awesome feeling being as accepting of life like that.
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A friend's parents had it all go wrong, the dad was in denial right up until the bailiff came to evict them and a few friends had to go and help throw a load of possessions into a big van.

Also see the conspiracy numpties who get caught up in the whole freeman of the land nonsense... as much as we ridicule them online these people do cause real issues for people - the tom Crawford case for example, he got in so deep to his legal "woo" that he genuinely believed he had a case and could avoid the massive shortfall in his mortgage years after the bank had apparently warned him about his endowment/interest only mortgage and that he should make arrangements to pay off the principle... but no - the bank had had "enough" money and the way the world was supposed to work as details by CT nutters on the internet was the way this was somehow going to go in his favour in the real world.. right up until he got evicted and lost his home (sad thing is I think he still believes in it all and just thinks everyone else is still wrong).
 
I used to work at RBS in Manchester on telephone banking, I was one of the best advisors there, my efficiency and knowledge where top notch, I took on extra duties,I bent over backwards, I had recognition from all over the country from people who seemed to know me but I didn't know them. And all this led to nowhere, people who were there less than half the time as me, other people who were crap were getting other opportunities off the phones but I wasn't. I slowly got bitter and more bitter. No one in that place was paid enough for the amount of work and amount of abuse some customers gave.

And in a way this makes me averse to be trying to push myself and bend over backwards in my current role, maybe it's my personality, but I see some people cruise throgut sat back chilling then I have to destroy myself to do anything.

All I wanted to do was make things better, improve processes, efficiency and help my team the same. But no one listens to Will.

It doesn't help I get angry and stressed easily but that's an anxiety issue for the doctors.
 
You have to work smarter. Most of the time doing the right things for the right people is what you need to do. It's all a game. No point busting your ass off 100% of the time for people who aren't going to help you get where you need to be, other than self satisfaction.
 
Those feels OP.

I remember when I was in my first full time job earning £25k pa and thinking that this just isn't going to cut it. I'm far too materialistic and greedy to only earn that much I moved jobs quite a lot, for the wrong reasons as they were purely financial which meant not staying in one place very long, but that in itself worked out well as I soon found myself going up the pay ladder quite quickly and being on 40k. At this point I'd just had my son and was offered a contract role, out of luck as I wasn't applying for anything at the time, 3 months guaranteed but after that who knows. I decided to take a risk as it was effectively tripling my salary.

Hard work and a bit of luck (projects being badly dealt with offshore) and I'm still here 3 years later with some nice pay increases a long the way. And best of all is I now have managerial/lead experience in contracting which suits me very nicely in the contracting world.

So I agree with @LiE, hard work is definitely needed, but luck is also a huuuuuuge factor. I could have been working hard and without that lucky contract offer, still be earning around what I was before, but instead, being in the right place and right time meant I'm earning six figures and comfortable. The bubble could burst one day and contracting goes horribly wrong, again would be luck if that was the case, but hopefully the hard work bit means I'd fall back on my feet pretty quickly
 
If you aren't willing to put the effort in you need to be happy with what you have.

I' h with what I have because I know I don' rreally care much about my selected career path. I can' pput effort into something I don' vcre aabout. Always been like that.

As long as I always earn what I earn now or more I'll be happy

More. Money for more stress is isn't what I want
 
willhub said:
I used to work at RBS in Manchester on telephone banking, I was one of the best advisors there, my efficiency and knowledge where top notch, I took on extra duties,I bent over backwards, I had recognition from all over the country from people who seemed to know me but I didn't know them. And all this led to nowhere, people who were there less than half the time as me, other people who were crap were getting other opportunities off the phones but I wasn't. I slowly got bitter and more bitter. No one in that place was paid enough for the amount of work and amount of abuse some customers gave.

And in a way this makes me averse to be trying to push myself and bend over backwards in my current role, maybe it's my personality, but I see some people cruise throgut sat back chilling then I have to destroy myself to do anything.

All I wanted to do was make things better, improve processes, efficiency and help my team the same. But no one listens to Will.

It doesn't help I get angry and stressed easily but that's an anxiety issue for the doctors.
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In situations like that you need to take a step back, look at yourself and question what are they doing you are not. Even ask other people such as management. Its all about working smarter not harder.

My friend applied for a supervisor role in his job and didn't get it. He questioned why someone else who had been at the organization less time than him got the role, sat in the corner and was bitter about it. First mistake he did was never asked management why he didnt get the job, he attitude was "I know how to do my job, I should have got the promotion!" Which he is right, he does know how to do his job, does it well and THAT'S IT, NOTHING ELSE. He's not a people person, has no social skills, so hes always nervous round people. Walks around with his shoulders slumped, head down looking down on the floor, sometimes looks scruffy like an Big Issue seller. And he wonders why he never got the supervisor role.

Its your mindset and how carry yourself, especially in front of other people which can put you in a good position or a crap one.

You said yourself it doesn't help you get angry and stressed easily but that's an anxiety issue for the doctors. Sorry but it works both ways, its also an issue for YOU to deal with not only the doctors.
 
malachi said:
He's not a people person, has no social skills, so hes always nervous round people. Walks around with his shoulders slumped, head down looking down on the floor, sometimes looks scruffy like an Big Issue seller. And he wonders why he never got the supervisor role.
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This is the big one really, and rings true on forums such as this one. Outside of technical roles or specialised professions you need to be a good fit and get on with people. The attitude of I'm just here to work and as long as I do my job well isn't going to get you far, unfortunately. Hard to be a leader or command respect if you walk around ignoring others or being quiet as a mouse and offering no opinion on anything because it "doesn't matter". A bit of charisma goes a long way, being the harmless guy in the corner who slaves away expecting to be noticed one day doesn't.
 
OP keep in mind that many couples have a combined income that makes being minted more achievable. I'm not sure if you're single, but 2 people earning 30k is pretty decent amount.
 
Unfortunately the more important, interesting, or dangerous jobs don't pay high wages.

But money doesn't necessarily get you an easy and stress free life. Everyone has a struggle of some kind. When you have loads of money you just attract a different kind of predator and often brings more stress.

If you don't care too much about dignity, you could be one of those ***** on youtube. Babble about some random subjects until you find one which brings in subscribers.
 
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It does not define my happiness (my children do that), but I like nice things.

I like driving a nice car, I like having all of the latest gadgets and gizmos, I like going on nice holidays.

When I was in the UK I simply was not able to do all of those things all of the time.

Part of this was because I was first setting up my business and chucking a lot of my disposable income into that, but also because the UK in comparison to where I live now is a rip off.

I had a good income in the UK, but my living expenses over here are absolutely peanuts, and with these peanuts I can live far better than I ever did in the UK. It isnt my business (although pretty successful) that has allowed me to have nice things now, its my access to disposable income because the cost of living is so cheap.

Moving to SEA isnt a solution for 99.99% of people, I get that, but my point is that money (and by that I mean disposable income) does make a massive difference to how you live. In India I work to live, and I live well. In the UK it felt as if I was living to work.

This thought process was a major catalyst on why we decided to move continents.
 
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