Just want to be minted.

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Once you've learned what you want (Java) for example, how do you then build on that in your day job if you are not using it to allow you to apply for Java roles, or do you just wing it?

Genuinely curious.

I'd just add it in to my technical skills bit, which from talking to recruiters, is what most of them look at to filter people out for contract roles. They'll worry about that later I guess :P

A lot of my coding knowledge comes from coding at home/developing apps/messing around in visual studio etc. The code I write on a daily basis at work is pretty same-y so need to keep myself refreshed on stuff by doing it myself, which I think companies understand, so they are always impressed when you explain that you code in your spare time and have some enthusiasm for it as opposed to just doing what you have too
 
I'd just add it in to my technical skills bit, which from talking to recruiters, is what most of them look at to filter people out for contract roles. They'll worry about that later I guess :p

A lot of my coding knowledge comes from coding at home/developing apps/messing around in visual studio etc. The code I write on a daily basis at work is pretty same-y so need to keep myself refreshed on stuff by doing it myself, which I think companies understand, so they are always impressed when you explain that you code in your spare time and have some enthusiasm for it as opposed to just doing what you have too

So in essence you just put it on your CV and then would worry about it at later date in an interview when asked what experience you have of say Java?

I'm not trying to dig you out if that's how it seems, but just going through something similar at the moment myself with React/Angular as I'm learning it in my own time but have no way to apply it to the projects I work on in my day job as I have to use languages our freelancers can support when I am not here and they do not know either.
 
So in essence you just put it on your CV and then would worry about it at later date in an interview when asked what experience you have of say Java?

I'm not trying to dig you out if that's how it seems, but just going through something similar at the moment myself with React/Angular as I'm learning it in my own time but have no way to apply it to the projects I work on in my day job as I have to use languages our freelancers can support when I am not here and they do not know either.

There’s nothing dishonest about what I’m doing I don’t think. I’d never lie about something I couldn’t back up or know very little about, like using it for an hour then claiming i’m an expert.
I’ve learnt the skills and taught myself to a level that will be usable and productive in the workplace. As an example, I’ve built a large framework at home that replicates the test automation capabilities of the one I built in my current role in C# as a learning project. So if they need evidence then I could happily show them as I always have software projects on a laptop with me I take to interviews.

But I wouldn’t want to not include it on my CV and lose out on a role simply because I haven’t used it within a commercial dev environment.

But as a contractor/freelancer I guess I have a bit more room to do such things, as it’s my job to make sure I’m skilled for various roles. Given I could move from technology to technology within a couple of months in different contracts
 
There’s nothing dishonest about what I’m doing I don’t think. I’d never lie about something I couldn’t back up or know very little about, like using it for an hour then claiming i’m an expert.
I’ve learnt the skills and taught myself to a level that will be usable and productive in the workplace. As an example, I’ve built a large framework at home that replicates the test automation capabilities of the one I built in my current role in C# as a learning project. So if they need evidence then I could happily show them as I always have software projects on a laptop with me I take to interviews.

But I wouldn’t want to not include it on my CV and lose out on a role simply because I haven’t used it within a commercial dev environment.

But as a contractor/freelancer I guess I have a bit more room to do such things, as it’s my job to make sure I’m skilled for various roles. Given I could move from technology to technology within a couple of months in different contracts

I don’t want you to think I was saying you are being dishonest, just curious about how you handle it as I’m a total newbie when it comes to CVs and skills etc
 
I don’t want you to think I was saying you are being dishonest, just curious about how you handle it as I’m a total newbie when it comes to CVs and skills etc

Oh I know :) was just trying to explain what I meant.

I think as long as you’re keeping it in your technical skills then you can put what you want in there whether you learnt it at home, in education or at work. The interviewer will then ask you about those skills and that’s where you can expand upon your experience with that skill.

The difference comes in people putting skills in experience from previous or current roles when they can’t back it up, that’s where people get caught out, and if they don’t then the interview hasn’t really done his job.
 
You can evidence it on your CV as a side project that you’ve worked on, even add it to a portfolio/Git repo and reference it - employers really like seeing content like that :)
 
Can i tell you, I am not minted by any stretch but if i went out tommorow and spent 10 / 20 / 30 k I wouldn't really care

Money does not bring happiness, its not a made up saying.

Said no poor person ever.

This line is only ever trotted out by people with money unable to imagine themselves stuck in a rut with very few options and no potential of seeing a way out.

I tell you now, money would absolutely make me happy.

I'd rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.
 
Boggles the mind how much money managers get and how litte we get paid.

My team basically run the warehouse, not one operative lifts a finger until we start pressing buttons. All the while 'managers' sit around all day waffling on loving the sound of their own voice passing judgment over monkeys acting like they're masters of the universe.

Tools, but very well off tools.
 
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As someone who has never earned a mint, I made the conscious decision to go back to university as a mature student, at the age of 32, to study Biological Science, I'm nearly two thirds of the way through. I wanted to make myself more enticing to future employers and the IT skills I have earned over the last ten years of IT employ have proved invaluable and transferable in the areas of analysis when it comes to laboratory experiments, drug modelling etc. I also wanted to explore science as it is an area I have always been interested in, to the point where I would like to be employed in it.

I messed up university the first time round - I studied Computer Science for two years and although I was naturally talented in IT when I was in school, I lost interest and didn't complete Computer Science, so that was a poor decision on my part.

After staying in various IT jobs for two to four years, I never made it into management roles, even though I was looking after the hardware/software/stationary for many companies all by myself, wiring networks, configuring switches, securing encryption gateways etc.

Managers have to be responsible for the hiring and firing of individuals for the better of their company/branch. They have to be people persons, approachable, professional and have a certain level of delicacy about the way they deal with situations.

Their heads are on the block literally if the figures aren't high enough, if their staffing has a high turnover or if the people higher than them decide that their branch isn't performing as well or they are not performing as well. If a major incident occurs i.e. fraud, theft of goods or money or something else illegal within the team, they have to explain how and why it happened and how it's going to be resolved so it doesn't happen in future.

Responsibility comes with bumper salary increases but management positions are generally only given to people whose faces fit, those who have provided a certain length of service, those who have management qualifications, or those who have gone beyond their roles and duties on many occasions, putting the job before their own family in some cases. You have to also have the right professional attitude to be given the management progression interviews in the first place.

I'm looking at employment in areas which will use both my IT skills and Science skills, I'll also be doing many or all of the points below post-graduation, to help me earn more money. But for me it was never about the money, it has always been about the job satisfaction, because I don't need a brand new Bentley Continental, I'm quite happy with an old car and motorbike I can fix myself. I don't need a four bedroom house because I don't have a wife or kids, I'm happy with a two bedroom house in a nice area that I can call my own. But everyone has different ideas about what success is to them.

These are some ways to make more money, if you can put the time/effort in:

1). Becoming your own boss and creating your own company as a sideline with your full-time 9-5 work.
2). Gaining a Prince 2 Project Management Qualification.
3). Becoming a Supervisor with the potential progression to Management through natural progression and potential courses the company pays for.
4). Learning two more languages - something from the Far East i.e. Mandarin and something European i.e. Spanish and becoming fluent in them.
5). Keeping your ear to the ground about all roles that come up within the company offering better money and potential side roles that open doors for you.
6). Finding another job that pays better with another company after you've gained some experience (at least two-three years).

Disclaimer: This is just general stuff; I'm not an expert, I'm not qualified in much and I'm not proclaiming to be, but hopefully it helps so you make better decisions than I did.
 
Instead of chasing the big bucks or saving to be the richest man in the graveyard, go out and enjoy life, yes you need money but not tons of the stuff to enjoy the good things, most minted people are dicks anyway.
 
Instead of chasing the big bucks or saving to be the richest man in the graveyard, go out and enjoy life, yes you need money but not tons of the stuff to enjoy the good things, most minted people are dicks anyway.

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This is a very good point.

You have only got one life and you learn to live within your means with however much you earn. Unfortunately, inflation and cost of living are eroding salaries, but if you can find the right balance, you should, more important to die happy, having travelled, seen the world, perhaps had a family and kids you can live through, than dying miserable with six or more figures in your bank account that you can't actually enjoy.
 
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Instead of chasing the big bucks or saving to be the richest man in the graveyard, go out and enjoy life, yes you need money but not tons of the stuff to enjoy the good things, most minted people are dicks anyway.
Totally agree, a lot of people here seem to put a career/big salary at the top of their 'want list'
 
Said no poor person ever.

This line is only ever trotted out by people with money unable to imagine themselves stuck in a rut with very few options and no potential of seeing a way out.

I tell you now, money would absolutely make me happy.

I'd rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.

And what you say is usually trotted out by people that are too focused on material gain which is usually the cause of unhappiness and fail to see where happiness can be found. I have luckily been around a lot of the world and some of the warmest, friendliest and happy people that have little to nothing but were the most willing to share it.
 
Said no poor person ever.

This line is only ever trotted out by people with money unable to imagine themselves stuck in a rut with very few options and no potential of seeing a way out.

I tell you now, money would absolutely make me happy.

I'd rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.

As i say i am not minted but its safe to say we live comfortable. I have been to both spectrum's Christmas 2008 i was buying used toys and and clothes for my family of Ebay, i was made redundant and had nothing. Obviously bad times it taught me that even though i was in the lowest i had ever been my children still played with the toys and my mrs still wore the clothes. It did not matter they were used, or they were not designer. Life found a way for us and we pulled together and budgeted while still having a life full of friends and laughter.

The other issue with having a few ££ is your friends can easily be lost, family and friends with less will ask to borrow it creates the most awkward situations especially if you do lend and they dont pay back. I have it now with my brother recently when asking for what he said he would do months ago he said if your banks busting i will go put some in...knowing it isnt but its the principle. It can create a divide as they see you with everything and them with less and naturally assume your a lender.
 
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