78 year old pensioner targetted for revenge

The village my parents live in had ***** issues a few years ago (litter, stuff being stolen, speeding cars/vans, the usual). They kept complaining to the police and council.

Then around a year later the mayor visited the village and the locals put questions to him about it. He told the locals they need to be "more accommodating to travelers" lol. He almost got lynched...
 
Dis86 said:
You mean to tell me you don't think they know exactly what they're doing? There's only one reason for them to be there. Intimidation.
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why would i assume someone who i dont know doesnt know what they are doing?
strange question
 
and here it comes... cops threaten to arrest the locals! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...floral-tributes-burglar-killed-pensioner.html

That will do well for locals opinions of the police!

This is a perfect example of how the police misread the public.

The "shrine" is illegal under the Highways Act 1980: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66

132 Unauthorised marks on highways.

(1)A person who, without either the consent of the highway authority for the highway in question or an authorisation given by or under an enactment or a reasonable excuse, paints or otherwise inscribes or affixes any picture, letter, sign or other mark upon the surface of a highway or upon any tree, structure or works on or in a highway is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding £100 or, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction under this subsection, to a fine not exceeding £200.

(2)The highway authority for a highway may, without prejudice to their powers apart from this subsection and whether or not proceedings in respect of the matter have been taken in pursuance of subsection (1) above, remove any picture, letter, sign or other mark which has, without either the consent of the authority or an authorisation given by or under an enactment, been painted or otherwise inscribed or affixed upon the surface of the highway or upon any tree, structure or works on or in the highway.
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BowdonUK said:
and here it comes... cops threaten to arrest the locals! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...floral-tributes-burglar-killed-pensioner.html

That will do well for locals opinions of the police!

This is a perfect example of how the police misread the public.

The "shrine" is illegal under the Highways Act 1980: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/66
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A bit sad but not really surprising, they know the travellers will be more likely to kick off and so their feelings are prioritised ahead of those of the local residents.

This "breach of the peace" thing is a bit of a catch all and if the local residents were to protest a bit more then it could just as easily be used towards the travellers putting up the flowers as it apparently has towards anyone willing to take them down.

Just a bit sad to see them taking the easy route out and ignoring the legitimate concerns about intimidation etc.. from the local community.
 
Whey spineless police all over again when it comes to ******!
Amazing how tax payers money goes to protecting non tax payers.
 
Amnesia said:
Do we rip down flowers and trample upon them where other people have been killed ?
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If a man had a heart attack whilst raping a child near the victim's house, would you want that man's family building a shrine to him there? I hope not.

But I guess attacking an OAP in his own home causes less outrage... such that it's OK to think about his poor, grieving family's needs above the needs of the victim and wider community...

Amnesia said:
never claimed he was innocent, i think showing a little humanity towards his family wouldnt be a bad thing
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What nonsense! His family claimed that they were proud of him, despite knowing exactly what kind of man he was. Because they are no doubt just like him. All thieving, lying, bullying scum.
 
Amnesia said:
lol i didnt want them to build this one
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So why are you trying to defend the burglar's kin as they place flowers somewhere they don't belong?

"Respect the family"... why? Why do they get any respect? What about respecting the community of law-abiding people who are being targeted by these scumbags? Robbed, menaced, intimidated...

There is no defence here for taking the side of the burglar and his ilk. Or talking about their feelings, or their rights... and forgetting that there are true victims in this story. The OAP who was burgled and can't return to his home. The community who have to put up with these scum bags. They burgled several houses in the area before one of them "tragically" bled to death.
 
Amnesia said:
show me where
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Right here...

Amnesia said:
Going against the grain here....

I dont see why people are ripping the shrine down. If the pensioner isnt currently living there then let the guys family put up some flowers for a while.
I mean the little girl has just lost her father (yes he was a scumbag) but people cant even allow her to put a card up for him, they feel it has to be ripped down and trampled on?
Has she done something wrong or is who she is thats the problem?
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Amnesia said:
Do we rip down flowers and trample upon them where other people have been killed ?
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The law-abiding folks do not want the shrine. They quite rightly point out that the scumbags have burgled multiple properties in the area, and that the shrine is equally about projecting power and fear, as much as it is about remembering the burglar who got killed attacking an OAP in his own home.

The needs of the community are diametrically opposed to the "need" of the scumbags to erect a shrine opposite the true victim's house.

Thus if you defend the flowers/shrine, or suggest that taking them down is somehow wrong, then you are I'm afraid siding with the scumbags against the real community and their wishes/right to live in peace.
 
you said i took the side of the burgular but the posts you quoted dont mention him.

oh wait there was 1 mention of him where i called him a scumbag, does that count as defending him ?
 
Amnesia said:
you said i took the side of the burgular but the posts you quoted dont mention him.

oh wait there was 1 mention of him where i called him a scumbag, does that count as defending him ?
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The very fact you think this sick shrine in his name is acceptable is a defence.
 
Thekwango said:
110% no you would not have.
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Drills are you friend. Class B skeet and sporting shooter CPSA registered.

#9 steel Bird shot isn't going to kill them, but its gonna **** up your day badly if I shoot you in the leg.
 
Nasher said:
Also it looks like it's on someone's garden fence. Civil matter tbh. It's up to whoever owns the fence...
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I remember when the cops were going around telling people to take their St Georges flags down because it contravened some law or other. Then it become a public issue and the flags were allowed to stay up.

The highway act doesn't specific public or private land. It's an unofficial shrine and the cops have the power to remove it. They are choosing not to.

dowie said:
A bit sad but not really surprising, they know the travellers will be more likely to kick off and so their feelings are prioritised ahead of those of the local residents.

Just a bit sad to see them taking the easy route out and ignoring the legitimate concerns about intimidation etc.. from the local community.
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@dowie you're right about that. I've moderated on a few forums and irc channels over the years and I've noticed that most people seem to 'discipline' the person who is the least trouble to deal with, even if that person has a good point in the dispute.
 
Amnesia said:
you said i took the side of the burgular but the posts you quoted dont mention him.

oh wait there was 1 mention of him where i called him a scumbag, does that count as defending him ?
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Heh. You truncated my quote to make it look like I said you were taking the side of the burglar.

I said "taking the side of the burglar and his ilk". In other words, the traveller community.

Defending their "need" to make a shrine in a sensitive location in direct opposition to the law-abiding community, is exactly what I was talking about.

Their needs and the local community's needs are mutually exclusive. You side with the travellers and defend their shrine, then are siding with the travellers. The burglar and his ilk ;) You really can't have it both ways.
 
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