Is this a legal overtake?

Gaygle · 22 Apr 2018 at 15:39

Edit: ignore

x-st · 22 Apr 2018 at 15:41

koooowweeee said:
Thought someone would have picked up on that bit sooner.

Op you can't do any speed you want just because your overtaking. You can't exceed the speed limit of that road.

But it's not as if the driving instructor/learner driver's word is going to be taken on the speed if a report is actually considered. Unless OP has been recorded as speeding by a speed camera or gun, it's one word against the other.

snapdragon69 · 22 Apr 2018 at 16:55

These areas exist to seperate the flows of traffic.
You are only supposed to drive on them if you have a reason to, such as overtaking or turning right.
Many seem to think they are no-go areas even when the line is broken - in fact I would say most people do, especially when turning right where they stay to the left and then veer right at the last car length - bad in so many ways. They should be driving on it signalling to that all the people behind can see their intention and also their steering is still straight if they get shunted from behind. Those who veer at the last second run the risk of being shunted into the path of oncoming traffic.

Lakeland · 22 Apr 2018 at 18:14

Yep ^.

There are many occasions when overtaking in these areas is completely safe, such as on a motorbike or a relatively fast car.

What always gets me is those “pull back in to your lane” arrows that are placed about 6ft before a blind bent/summit. Why do those things exist so late? If you’re only pulling back in because of those arrows you’re almost certainly done for!

Iamzod · 22 Apr 2018 at 20:55

Thought I recognised the picture, it's about 4 minutes from my house.

Don't know if it's legal or not but it's a daft place to overtake as after the brow of the hill it's there is tons of straight road where it's easy to overtake and see what's coming.

ChrisD. · 23 Apr 2018 at 10:12

Perfectly legal, not something I would do though due mainly to reasons which have been discussed, ie the junction. That said, I probably would have a few years ago.

Finglonga · 23 Apr 2018 at 10:50

Awaits dash cam footage from driving instructor to be posted online.....

ExoMale · 23 Apr 2018 at 21:12

Younshouldnt overtake on any road that has that style pattern, doesn’t have to have red inserts either, take the dual carriageways that merg to single, I have been forced on to them odd times in the past, by people purposely drove over them because they think they boss, road markings are put down for a reason.

If you overtook on that bit I’d road in the picture then you are no better than the idiot in front, it’s not the fact of the road being cleared, it’s not like your overtaking a tractor, it’s the principal of thinking because you drove over those markings is okay to do so anywhere else in the country.

Lakeland · 23 Apr 2018 at 22:07

ExoMale said:
Younshouldnt overtake on any road that has that style pattern, doesn’t have to have red inserts either, take the dual carriageways that merg to single, I have been forced on to them odd times in the past, by people purposely drove over them because they think they boss, road markings are put down for a reason.

If you overtook on that bit I’d road in the picture then you are no better than the idiot in front, it’s not the fact of the road being cleared, it’s not like your overtaking a tractor, it’s the principal of thinking because you drove over those markings is okay to do so anywhere else in the country.

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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.
If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)

theone8181 · 24 Apr 2018 at 07:44

Lakeland said:
130
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

If the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so.

If the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency.

Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)

So broken white lines mean ok for an overtake?

Nasher · 24 Apr 2018 at 09:46

I suppose, since it doesn't describe what necessary is. I'd consider overtaking someone going half the speed limit as necessary. But while passing a junction wouldn't be safe

Ryan-3 · 24 Apr 2018 at 13:29

chroniclard said:
You shouldn't be overtaking near those junctions.

From experience of similar looking roads, I'd give this as advice although I don't see anything that would make it illegal to do so.

chroniclard · 24 Apr 2018 at 13:38

Ryan-3 said:
From experience of similar looking roads, I'd give this as advice although I don't see anything that would make it illegal to do so.

Just from a safety point of view really. Literally could take 1 second for someone to appear at a junction, look right and just pull out without looking left.

Lopéz · 24 Apr 2018 at 15:13

With those junctions, I wouldn't overtake. I've done so in similar situations in the past and almost come a cropper when someone has unexpectedly whacked on their indicator and started to turn.

rhysduck · 24 Apr 2018 at 16:13

Maybe OP shouldn't be overtaking if he worries this much about it :confused:

Burnsy2023 · 24 Apr 2018 at 16:45

Lopéz said:
With those junctions, I wouldn't overtake. I've done so in similar situations in the past and almost come a cropper when someone has unexpectedly whacked on their indicator and started to turn.

Yeah, it's incredibly dangerous to overtake coming up to a hazard. Depending on the circumstances it could be careless or inconsiderate driving or even dangerous driving.

#Chri5# · 24 Apr 2018 at 22:23

Burnsy2023 said:
Yeah, it's incredibly dangerous to overtake coming up to a hazard. Depending on the circumstances it could be careless or inconsiderate driving or even dangerous driving.

The Daily Telegraph used to have a safer driving column written by an instructor (I forget his name) - one of his mantras was "Never accelerate into danger".

Lakeland · 24 Apr 2018 at 23:22

theone8181 said:
So broken white lines mean ok for an overtake?

Yeah but it completely depends on the road layout, some of the broken white line areas are safe and some are very dangerous. If there's an upcoming junction you shouldn't really be considering an overtake.

Typically I would only overtake on these areas when the road is clear, there aren't junctions and I'm trying to overtake a plonker or tractor doing 30-40 in a 60.

theone8181 · 25 Apr 2018 at 07:37

The road i'm thinking of is this (hope this works as ive not done a picture from google maps before).

Sorry i give up, postcode is HU10 7TQ and the road is A164. Not sure how to incorporate google pics.

https://goo.gl/maps/9F8LiaGLC962

CaptainRAVE · 25 Apr 2018 at 08:12

Having seen the aftermath of someone who did overtake near junctions like those and went head on into a car at 60+ mph, I would rather not tbh. Plenty of white lines like that one roads near me (without the red) on a pure straight road that plenty of people ignore though.