Not discriminating is discrimination

[cheesyboy]

Cheesyboy you're still not getting this, consider increasing the special queue to 90% of the population? How do you get a magic delay reduction?

You don't! The reason you're not seeing it in your example is that you've masked it and then made some handwaving arguments to ignore it.

Try again with a simple example.. assume one coroner and a single queue... how are you able to not delay/push back others when you allow a special group to skip the queue?

One coroner is the same as a team of coroners: you stick Jew and Muslim deaths at the top of his work queue, instead of putting them at the bottom of the list.

Yes, that delays the processing of the slow list, but that slow list would otherwise have Jews and Muslims in it, so it would be longer in the first place, and therefore be slower anyway.

 

[Caracus2k]

One coroner is the same as a team of coroners: you stick Jew and Muslim deaths at the top of his work queue, instead of putting them at the bottom of the list.

Yes, that delays the processing of the slow list, but that slow list would otherwise have Jews and Muslims in it, so it would be longer in the first place, and therefore be slower anyway.

Seriously just repeat the below sentence out loud...... and honestly say whether it makes sense to you or not.

'without changing anything else (I. E with the same resources) you can re prioritise a que to deal with some faster whilst not simultaneously causing others in the que to be dealt with more slowly'

(this includes examples where you make two or more ques but still only have the same resources to process them)

If that statement makes sense to you and you can think of a way to do this in practice then I suggest you quit wasting your time on an Internet forum as you have a revolutionary innovation that many businesses would pay £££ for! Hell along the same lines you probably can crack free energy with a perpetual motion matchine as you seem to think you can get something for nothing!

 

[dowie]

One coroner is the same as a team of coroners: you stick Jew and Muslim deaths at the top of his work queue, instead of putting them at the bottom of the list.

Yes, that delays the processing of the slow list, but that slow list would otherwise have Jews and Muslims in it, so it would be longer in the first place, and therefore be slower anyway.

you're nearly there...

now if you're always processing the fast queue first then just imaging one queue for this one coroner (this is why I said before to consider a simple example)

every time there is a new joiner to the queue in the past they'd move to the back - everyone has the same average wait time...

under the new system then if they're a Jew or Muslim, they move to the front and get a low wait time, everyone else in the queue loses a place and gets a longer wait time

the average wait time is the same - do you see now?

 

[Sasahara]

I think you are getting confused

I acknowledged there would be a 'crunch' period upon introducing the fasttrack system (theoretically, at least):

No you are confused, you don't seem to get if you put 10 people infront of someone over the course of 10 days it adds 2 days to the wait. It's that simple.

 

[cheesyboy]

Seriously just repeat the below sentence out loud...... and honestly say whether it makes sense to you or not.



If that statement makes sense to you and you can think of a way to do this in practice then I suggest you quit wasting your time on an Internet forum as you have a revolutionary innovation that many businesses would pay £££ for! Hell along the same lines you probably can crack free energy with a perpetual motion matchine as you seem to think you can get something for nothing!

Imagine a wide pipe whose capacity is 10,000 gallons of water per minute

Now imagine you remove 1,000 gallons/minute from the start of that pipe, you are left with 9,000 gallons flowing per minute.

Now, you connect a feeder pipe 90% of the way along that wide pipe and feed that 1,000 gallons back in. 10,000 gallons per minute are flowing out of the pipe exit once again.

Has the 9,000 gallons flowing the whole length of pipe now slowed down?

 

[cheesyboy]

No you are confused, you don't seem to get if you put 10 people infront of someone over the course of 10 days it adds 2 days to the wait. It's that simple.

But what about the people who are no longer in the slow queue - the queue is shorter because they have been removed. Does that not factor in to your thinking at all?

 

[cheesyboy]

you're nearly there...

now if you're always processing the fast queue first then just imaging one queue for this one coroner (this is why I said before to consider a simple example)

every time there is a new joiner to the queue in the past they'd move to the back - everyone has the same average wait time...

under the new system then if they're a Jew or Muslim, they move to the front and get a low wait time, everyone else in the queue loses a place and gets a longer wait time

the average wait time is the same - do you see now?

Imagine you remove jews and muslims altogether - everyone else in the queue would have a faster waiting time, wouldn't they?

 

[dowie]

Imagine you remove jews and muslims altogether - everyone else in the queue would have a faster waiting time, wouldn't they?

yes, you have the same resource and a lower population

shorter queue on average = lower average waiting time...

have you worked through the simple example - one coroner, one queue, people skip to the front...?

 

[cheesyboy]

yes

So when you add them back in, why does that make the queue slower than it was before?

 

[Sasahara]

But what about the people who are no longer in the slow queue - the queue is shorter because they have been removed. Does that not factor in to your thinking at all?

These are new people, they weren't in the slow cue. Are you just a troll?

 

[Skunkworks]

Imagine you remove jews and muslims altogether...

Is this a manifesto promise?

 

[Caracus2k]

Imagine a wide pipe whose capacity is 10,000 gallons of water per minute

Now imagine you remove 1,000 gallons/minute from the start of that pipe, you are left with 9,000 gallons flowing per minute.

Now, you connect a feeder pipe 90% of the way along that wide pipe and feed that 1,000 gallons back in. 10,000 gallons per minute are flowing out of the pipe exit once again.

Has the 9,000 gallons flowing the whole length of pipe now slowed down?

What's that got to do with the price of bread?

You are now just running the big pipe under capacity for most of its length and you have built an extra pipe to carry some water at further expense!

 

[dowie]

So when you add them back in, why does that make the queue slower than it was before?

it doesn't make the queue slower!

the average waiting time is the same overall

the average waiting time given you're jewish or muslim decreases

the average waiting time given you're not increases

but overall, for the population as a whole (including jews/muslims and non jews/muslims) it is the same

I think that is where you got confused - is it clear now?

 

[cheesyboy]

These are new people, they weren't in the slow cue. Are you just a troll?

But, mate, they would be in that queue, slowing people down, if they weren't being fasttracked.

You must grasp that, surely!

 

[cheesyboy]

it doesn't make the queue slower!

the average waiting time is the same overall

the average waiting time given you're jewish or muslim decreases

the average waiting time given you're not increases

but overall, for the population as a whole (including jews/muslims and non jews/muslims) it is the same

I think that is where you got confused - is it clear now?

Why would the people at the back of the queue wait longer, unless there were more jews and muslims being added than were taken out?

And why would there be more of them?

 

[Django x2]

Jesus wept, someone has never been in the queue of normal people when the FastTrack queue appears at Disney World. But, in this case, at least they are paying to be fasttracked. Maybe the Jews should pay up if they want to be buried quicker.

And just for the record @cheesyboy, seriously, give in, or explain a much simpler scenario to yourself unless you're making a distinct comparison between static and dynamic queues, which given the topic, it's unlikely to be static, so the entire argument is moot. If a steady stream of Jews rocked up to be buried, the normal queue would never get processed.

However, with the FastTrack experience, FastTrack purchasers queue to a different part of the attraction so as not to filter back in with the normal queue. They pay a premium for this, so Jews should pay a premium to be buried sooner, and the service adapts to allow a second coroner to deal with them specifically. It's no harder than that.

 

[cheesyboy]

If a steady stream of Jews rocked up to be buried, the normal queue would never get processed.

Well, only if the supply of Jew and Muslim deaths were enough to swallow the entire capacity.

But why would that be the case?

And if it were the case, the current system would be just as swamped!

 

[cheesyboy]

Jesus wept, someone has never been in the queue of normal people when the FastTrack queue appears at Disney World. But, in this case, at least they are paying to be fasttracked. Maybe the Jews should pay up if they want to be buried quicker.

And just for the record @cheesyboy, seriously, give in, or explain a much simpler scenario to yourself unless your making a distinct comparison between static and dynamic queues, which given the topic, it's unlikely to be static, so the entire argument is moot. If a steady stream of Jews rocked up to be buried, the normal queue would never get processed.

However, with the FastTrack experience, FastTrack purchasers queue to a different part of the attraction so as not to filter back in with the normal queue. They pay a premium for this, so Jews should pay a premium to be buried sooner, and the service adapts to allow a second coroner to deal with them specifically. It's no harder than that.

As for Disney, that's a bit different, since getting through the queue quicker means that you can ride more often. don't think that applies to dying.

It actually DOES make the queue worse for the others at Disney, because it increases number of rides for the FastTrackers.

How do you extrapolate that to processing dead bodies?

 

[Caracus2k]

As for Disney, that's a bit different, since getting through the queue quicker means that you can ride more often. don't think that applies to dying.

It actually DOES make the queue worse for the others at Disney, because it increases number of rides for the FastTrackers.

How do you extrapolate that to processing dead bodies?

You can buy single use fast track passes in some parks

Using one still slows down thoose already in the general que (rather then the fast track ticket holder just joining the back of the normal que) as they are taking a place on the ride that would otherwise be filled by someone in the general que!


Give it up.... Seriously

 

[Tefal]

Cheesyboy.

Next time you go to the supermarket let anyone who is a woman go in front of you in the queue for the till.

Let us know if iyts faster or slower for you