Free speech not allowed

neo202020 said:
Came across this interview with a guy who writes co-writes for Jonathan Pie.

Very interesting and they really let him talk rather than the usual media interruption. He goes a bit too far for my liking on hate speech but it's refreshing to hear someone with a different perspective.

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Agreed with everything that chap said about Free speech, he hit the nail on the head with the comments about how the left is going wrong.
 
The right:

Has a clear distinction between what is considered "too far", and the gradient between slightly right to the far right is clearly apparent.

The left:

Does not have a clear distinction between what is considered "too far", many left-wing ideologs have radical views that if brought in to fruition would fundamentally change the world for good or bad, the mirror of this on the right would be considered "far right".
Also lets not forget that the nazi party was left-wing.
 
actually there was a socialist side to the Nazi part but people get a bit polarised when that topic comes up, plenty of (quite explicitly) socialist people within the Nazi party were killed during the night of the long knives

the Nazis in general are pretty far removed from the small state, neo liberals that are referred to these days as "right wing", probably more so than a lot of actually socialist governments
 
The whole article is here and worth a read, but the last paragraphs sum it up well imo

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/

Despite continuing certain Weimar-era social welfare programs, the Nazis proceeded to restrict their availability to “racially worthy” (non-Jewish) beneficiaries. In terms of labor, worker strikes were outlawed. Trade unions were replaced by the party-controlled German Labor Front, primarily tasked with increasing productivity, not protecting workers. In lieu of the socialist ideal of an egalitarian, worker-run state, the National Socialists erected a party-run police state whose governing structure was anti-democratic, rigidly hierarchical, and militaristic in nature. As to the redistribution of wealth, the socialist ideal “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” was rejected in favor of a credo more on the order of “Take everything that belongs to non-Aryans and keep it for the master race.”

Above all, the Nazis were German white nationalists. What they stood for was the ascendancy of the “Aryan” race and the German nation, by any means necessary. Despite co-opting the name, some of the rhetoric, and even some of the precepts of socialism, Hitler and party did so with utter cynicism, and with vastly different goals. The claim that the Nazis actually were leftists or socialists in any generally accepted sense of those terms flies in the face of historical reality.
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Just because Trump said he was going to build a wall, doesn't mean he meant it...;)
 
Freakbro said:
Or...they used the word socialist as a propaganda tool to fool the weak minded into thinking that they were actually a left leaning socialist party....

But I suppose you have idiots who believe it just because the word is there....I look forward to counting the votes in the next elections in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea

That's the dictatorship of North Korea to the rest of us....you tool
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They were literally Socialists. Their economic system was run by the government for the benefit of the people generally. They were economically left wing and socially right wing, though so far to the right it's nothing comparable to modern day Politics. Euthanasia for instance isn't really something you'll find on the ballot box.
 
Freakbro said:
The whole article is here and worth a read, but the last paragraphs sum it up well imo

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
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Well it doesn't really and it doesn't even address what I posted about.

It is like denying the existence of say the like of Corbyn, Benn and Skinner etc.. in the labour party when Blair and Brown were in power based on the Labour policies being implemented at the time. Likewise just because the current Labour Party is being run by Corbyn and is being taken over by momentum doesn't mean the Blairites have disappeared for example.

There were socialists attracted to Nazism, there were socialists within the Nazi party and there were socialists views being put forth by them.

This hasn't gone away, some of the later "Neo nazis" have carried on with quite socialist views - the national front in the UK during the 70s for example. They were racists, they were authoritarian and they were also socialist.
 
Roar87 said:
They were literally Socialists.
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Only I guess if you don't know what the term socialist means

Their economic system was run by the government for the benefit of the people generally.
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No, it really wasn't. He banned trade unions and installed a govt led control system which froze wages, increased hours and removed the right to strike. Wow, such socialism, much benefit

Like is said, just because they used some rhetoric to fool the masses, they should be judged on their actions (easily checked historical facts) and not their words.
 
Roar87 said:
They were literally Socialists. Their economic system was run by the government for the benefit of the people generally.
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People generally? I'm not sure my imagination stretches that far. Unless of course by generally, you mean the ones they spared from execution and imprisonment (which wasn't even the case either).

Unless of course you meant for the benefit of the party then sure, they were socialist towards themselves.
 
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