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Have any of you guys gone to look up some of the messages, not just what is on the BBC article? Some of them were pretty bad, also aimed at an individual on campus.
Whatsapp group chat - SJW's strike again
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Must have missed that bit. But even so, their comments should be taken with a large pinch of salt...
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The thing is when you start making in personal you will always be risking it being classed as bullying.
This is something i always find interesting about the Liberal/Left.
Liberal/Left ideologies are, to my mind, essentially intellectual. They are about people who have chosen to use intellectual argument to overcome how they actually feel.
(I am of the opinion that very very few people are genuinely "Colour Blind" or genuinely believe in "equality for all". Most will believe that they ought to believe in these things, but in order to live the life, they have to endure inner conflict where they have to continually suppress how their gut feels, this is why the real hate comes from the left in any political conflict. Because like any religious fanatic who is having to overcome inner guilt ridden desires, the left hate themselves even more than their political enemies)
For the most part, people who advocate Liberal/Left ideologies are intelligent and well educated.
All well and good,
But.
Where it all falls down is where Liberal/Left people argue that there is only one conclusion that can be drawn from all this intellectualism and that anybody who disagrees with them is either unintelligent, Uneducated, or both.
And what they really cannot comprehend is when they are confronted by people who are equally (Or even more) educated and intelligent, who hold diametrically opposed views.
They really cant get that at all....
Whats that Mike you worthless native scum?
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Whats that Mike you worthless native scum?
Why so mean?
I knew there was a reason I always preferred hyburnate to you. 
Come on lol. I know everyone will has biases but at least try hide it in your posts.
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I don’t get what this has to do with freedom of speech 
They said things. They were judged for them by their future employers and education provider - both of whom dealt with them in the manner they saw fit and not in accordance with any law.
Getting judged for things you say is not the same as a prohibition on saying things.
Edit - there is actually some (mild) irony in that those purporting to advocate for ‘freedom of speech’ are actually advocating for a ‘safe space’ where their actions are free of consequences
They said things. They were judged for them by their future employers and education provider - both of whom dealt with them in the manner they saw fit and not in accordance with any law.
Getting judged for things you say is not the same as a prohibition on saying things.
Edit - there is actually some (mild) irony in that those purporting to advocate for ‘freedom of speech’ are actually advocating for a ‘safe space’ where their actions are free of consequences
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It sounds like a lot of people here would be terrified if their own Whatsapp/messenger chats got out in to the public domain in a similar way.
Of course I would, the chats I have with my friends are like Monty Python sketches, full of in jokes and complete absurdity. If it was taken on face value by people who had never met us they would probably think we were in the middle of a group psychotic breakdown.
I frequently say things I don't agree with in group chat just because they are funny or will annoy one of my mates.
Judge people on their actions not just their words. Words are too fun to play around with to be taken seriously at all times.
Yes I would be concerned..
I am a firm believer in know your audience, the stuff I say and write be it either :
a)Serious
b)banter
c)Utter rubbish
is tailored to whatever environment I am in knowing that the audience will take it the way that it is intended.
(i.e Me and the missus can crack a racist joke (She is Indian and I am a white British guy) about India and the UK knowing that we would each take it the way that it was intended. A harmless joke with serious malice or depth behind it. If this got out into the public domain without that context all manner of interpretation could be made)
Why so mean?
He is the more attractive one out of the two of us, maybe thats it?
Quit stealing our women white boy! #Bants
I don’t get what this has to do with freedom of speech
They said things. They were judged for them by their future employers and education provider - both of whom dealt with them in the manner they saw fit and not in accordance with any law.
Getting judged for things you say is not the same as a prohibition on saying things.
Edit - there is actually some (mild) irony in that those purporting to advocate for ‘freedom of speech’ are actually advocating for a ‘safe space’ where their actions are free of consequences
Not really, there is a legitimate freedom of speech aspect here re: their jokes/"banter" etc..
Though someone has alluded to them aiming things at an individual, that is a bit different, if it became bullying then the university is right to step in. If it is saying "bad words" and joking about taboo subjects (including race) in a private conversation however then I don't think they ought to.
Here is a recent example from the US, they have stronger freedom of speech provisions than the UK and as a result you don't see an expulsion here after a similar row about using taboo words:
http://www.complex.com/life/2018/04...sters-saying-the-n-word-video-sparks-outrage/
The response from the university to the use of the n word on social media by the girls specifically cites their constitutional right to freedom of speech:
that is the university's opinion, no doubt after consulting their in house legal advisors
creating a "safe space" would be where you do want to punish/silence people because of their speech, not where you allow things to be said that might be "offensive"
But they aren't public unless someone decides to make them public.
This type of humour amongst guys is incredibly common up and down the country. No doubt it lets some people hide their racism but a banter group isn't proof.
The responses here are. Whether its public or not doesn't change the fact it was said / posted.
So someone that makes a racist remark in their home, could lose their job if someone made it public? Or someone makes a poor joke in private and gets kicked out of school?
Conversations amongst 18-21 year old friends, I imagine would look very bad if you could select the more extreme ones.
it changes the context of it and the impact of it
i.e. they weren't broadcasting "hate", they were engaging in rather taboo chat within the context of a private group where they know each other and realise that what is being said isn't meant at face value... as if the brown skinned guy posted earlier really meant "BG manifesto: if you ain't English, go home"
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Why wouldn't a "brown skinned" guy say that if he was English?
You are now taking the position that minorities can't be xenophobic? I'm sure you've argued they are just as racist as white people in other places, so xenophobia isn't a stretch.
You are now taking the position that minorities can't be xenophobic? I'm sure you've argued they are just as racist as white people in other places, so xenophobia isn't a stretch.
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