Geforce GTX 1170 Spotted

D.P. · 18 May 2018 at 11:23

LeMson said:
It won't be slightly, it will be 25-30% more powerful, as the new flagship it needs to be, to get 1080ti people to buy it, just wish we had some news

It wont be the flagship card of the next generation though, there will be a 1180Ti and potentially a new Titan.

ubersonic · 18 May 2018 at 11:27

AthlonXP1800 said:
Noticed GTX 1170 was added to Techpowerup GPU database.

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Kaapstad · 18 May 2018 at 11:43

RanxZy said:
The Titan V's performance relative to core count/clock speed could still be irrelevant to the new cards, because they are rumoured to be on a different architecture than Volta.

Fact is, neither me nor you know the true architecture advancements in efficiency, performance per clock etc the new cards will bring. It's truly all speculation now, but I guarantee we can't predict performance in any accurate way generation to generation by saying the new cards have a deficit in compute core numbers.

I really think people are going to be a bit disappointed with the new cards.

I think all Turing or whatever NVidia want to call the new architecture will be is exactly the same as Volta but with all the compute stuff taken out hence the new name.

With all the forward planning and time involved in bringing a new architecture to market I think it is highly unlikely that NVidia would bring out several based on 12nm in the space of less than a year. All NVidia will want to do is have one 12nm architecture and tailor it to whatever the market needs and if needed give the chips different names.

Compute 12nm = Volta

Gaming 12nm = Turing or whatever other name they want to use.

RanxZy · 18 May 2018 at 11:45

D.P. said:
It wont be the flagship card of the next generation though, there will be a 1180Ti and potentially a new Titan.

NVIDIA will market the 1180 as the "New fastest GeForce card" so will likely be top of the Gaming card tree for a indeterminate number of months (Naturally, I have no idea how long NVIDIA will wait until releasing the next flagship Ti card)

LeMson · 18 May 2018 at 11:46

D.P. said:
It wont be the flagship card of the next generation though, there will be a 1180Ti and potentially a new Titan.

Flagship when released, like the 1080 was

psychas · 18 May 2018 at 11:47

eventually they will slot 1170ti in the gap

RanxZy · 18 May 2018 at 11:55

@Kaapstad I can only hope that NVIDIA pull off the architecture improvements necessary to make the 1180 at least 20% faster than the stock 1080Ti, while still being more efficient. Otherwise there will be little incentive in terms of raw grunt for me to upgrade. Will have to wait for the 1180Ti otherwise.

Kaapstad · 18 May 2018 at 12:04

RanxZy said:
@Kaapstad I can only hope that NVIDIA pull off the architecture improvements necessary to make the 1180 at least 20% faster than the stock 1080Ti, while still being more efficient. Otherwise there will be little incentive in terms of raw grunt for me to upgrade. Will have to wait for the 1180Ti otherwise.

The 1080 was only a small bit faster than the 980 Ti and on LN2 I don't think a 1080 has beaten the Kingpin 980 Ti.

The reason I put the bit in about LN2 is to highlight the fast that clock for clock the newer Pascal cards are not a match for the older Maxwell ones.

RanxZy · 18 May 2018 at 12:14

Kaapstad said:
The 1080 was only a small bit faster than the 980 Ti and on LN2 I don't think a 1080 has beaten the Kingpin 980 Ti.

The reason I put the bit in about LN2 is to highlight the fast that clock for clock the newer Pascal cards are not a match for the older Maxwell ones.

I would actually be satisfied if the speed margin between the 1080Ti and 1180 stock for stock was the same as the 980Ti vs 1080. That would make demanding games for me much more playable when using the 4K TV with high quality settings.

TNA · 18 May 2018 at 12:56

Kaapstad said:
The 1080 was only a small bit faster than the 980 Ti and on LN2 I don't think a 1080 has beaten the Kingpin 980 Ti.

The reason I put the bit in about LN2 is to highlight the fast that clock for clock the newer Pascal cards are not a match for the older Maxwell ones.

Trouble is hardly anyone uses LN2 so it is not very relevant imo. For normal people the 1080 was around 20% faster as far as I recall.

Hope you are wrong and we get some architectural benefits over Volta. But at the end of the day I would be happy if the 1180 is 20% faster than the 1080Ti.

beany_bot · 18 May 2018 at 13:02

Come on, we all know the drill here. Nvidia have more experience cutting up a die than a butcher does cutting meat.
Nvidia have no competition, they will give us the absolute minimum they can possibly get away with next gen. You can forget any decent leaps in performance.

Journey · 18 May 2018 at 13:33

beany_bot said:
Come on, we all know the drill here. Nvidia have more experience cutting up a die than a butcher does cutting meat.
Nvidia have no competition, they will give us the absolute minimum they can possibly get away with next gen. You can forget any decent leaps in performance.

I'd imagine that the xx70 card will surpass the 1080, and be knocking on the door of the 1080 Ti, but priced at 1070 level MSRP, plus $20-50 for RAM pricing increase. So $449 max, but with 1080Ti performance, or within a whisker, better then paying $699 though.

Kaapstad · 18 May 2018 at 13:47

TNA said:
Trouble is hardly anyone uses LN2 so it is not very relevant imo. For normal people the 1080 was around 20% faster as far as I recall.

Hope you are wrong and we get some architectural benefits over Volta. But at the end of the day I would be happy if the 1180 is 20% faster than the 1080Ti.

There are plenty of architectural benefits in Volta the way it is, unfortunately this does not mean the game devs are going to use them.

The point I was making with LN2 is it highlights the fact that Pascal is slightly less efficient than Maxwell clock for clock.

JediFragger · 18 May 2018 at 14:20

Kaapstad said:
the fact that Pascal is slightly less efficient than Maxwell clock for clock.

IIRC nVidia lengthened Pascal's slightly in order to gain the high clockspeeds.

KillBoY_UK · 18 May 2018 at 14:37

muon said:
Pascal shaders werent that much faster than Maxwell. I think you'll find 90% of the performance came from a massive clock bump. That isn't happening this time.

True but just upping the clock as we know can screw with the efficiency curve a better process, just look at how GCN efficiency falls off a cliff after a certain point

Satchfanuk · 18 May 2018 at 15:38

D.P. said:
50% or more, as you say the 1180 is slightly faster than 1080ti. The 1180 isn't replacing the 1080ti, it is replacing the 1080. SO you will be able to buy a 1180 that is faster than the 1080ti for the same price as the 1080. This is how it always is. The 1080 was a tad faster than the 980ti etc.

That's not really what I meant, I'm saying the 1180 appear to be a 1080ti with a gddr6 memory controller. It has the exactly same number of cores. Have Nvidia even tried with this next gen

D.P. · 18 May 2018 at 15:50

Satchfanuk said:
That's not really what I meant, I'm saying the 1180 appear to be a 1080ti with a gddr6 memory controller. It has the exactly same number of cores. Have Nvidia even tried with this next gen

Yes, they have tried. 7nm isn't ready yet. 12nm is just another optimization of the 14/16nm process, so gains ahve to be modest.

Also,. going by core-count is pretty meaningless when you are comaprign different architectures. The 1180 cores might be 30% faster at a given clock speed for example.

Satchfanuk · 18 May 2018 at 15:59

D.P. said:
Yes, they have tried. 7nm isn't ready yet. 12nm is just another optimization of the 14/16nm process, so gains ahve to be modest.

Also,. going by core-count is pretty meaningless when you are comaprign different architectures. The 1180 cores might be 30% faster at a given clock speed for example.

Or they might be the same cores, we just don't know, do we. Until the hardware arrives and goes under the microscope, then we will be able to tell

With the lead they had over AMD they could quite easily carve up a 1080ti to create a new range of cards to replace the 1080 downwards, just bump the clocks slightly and paste in a gddr6 controller and bob's your uncle

D.P. · 18 May 2018 at 16:14

Satchfanuk said:
Or they might be the same cores, we just don't know, do we. Until the hardware arrives and goes under the microscope, then we will be able to tell

With the lead they had over AMD they could quite easily carve up a 1080ti to create a new range of cards to replace the 1080 downwards, just bump the clocks slightly and paste in a gddr6 controller and bob's your uncle

We know the Volta architecture is already significantly different to Pascal and the 1180 should be using an architecture beyond Volta.

Satchfanuk · 18 May 2018 at 16:22

D.P. said:
We know the Volta architecture is already significantly different to Pascal and the 1180 should be using an architecture beyond Volta.

Again though this is based on the assumption that Volta could be modified for the mainstream gamers market. What if it couldn't, hence the delay between GV100 and now. What if Nvidia had to resort to plan B, hack up a 1080ti and stick a new magic tree on it so it smells new