Active shooter in Texas high school

There is atleast two people who have chosen to end their lives after being victims of an acid attack. I seem to remember a high profile case where the victim ended up dying as well but might be another one that ended their life.

EDIT: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44159192 ended his own life actually for some reason I half had in mind that he'd died from the injuries directly.
All in 2013? Do you have comparative stats for people who took their own lives after being attacked with guns? I'd say it's pretty disingenuous to even and try and compare the two.

44 Gun murders in 2011/2012 as reported in 2013. http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/murders-fatal-violence-uk.html

Illegal here but still happened.



Alcohol kills... Lets ban it.
Risible. 44 vs 11,000.

Just how many murders by alcohol are you claiming there are each year?
 
UK has very strict gun laws, yet we have still shootings in most of the cities

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/all-about/gun-crime

That's just Liverpool I'm sure you could find the same for Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, London...etc

Here's a reality, people who are willing to break the law generally don't give a flying **** about any law certainly not gun laws

If you want to stop humans murdering each other you need to address the societal issues that are causing humans to kill one another instead of trying to blame the tools that are used to do the killing

Yet comparatively we have a tiny number of gun murders... it isn't tricker science really - gun control clearly works in terms of reducing gun murders.
 
Risible. 44 vs 11,000.

UK is an island and much much smaller than US so controlling what comes into the country is a lot more easy
We also have 1/6 the population of the US

Norway has incredibly strict gun laws it didn't stop this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik from making a van bomb and getting his hands on a bunch of automatic weapons and tactical gear to murder 69 kids on an island retreat, if we're going by numbers of dead this is far far worse than any US school shooting, it quickly lost media attention though because we can't jump on the ban guns band wagon when the guns are already banned

Yet comparatively we have a tiny number of gun murders... it isn't tricker science really - gun control clearly works in terms of reducing gun murders.

As I said we have 1/6 the population and also much easier to secure what is smuggled in through our borders being an island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

I'm sure if we had the countries near our border that America does, we'd have just as high a comparative death rate
 
All in 2013? Do you have comparative stats for people who took their own lives after being attacked with guns? I'd say it's pretty disingenuous to even and try and compare the two.

Not saying it is comparable just it isn't as simple as it has never killed any one.

Norway has incredibly strict gun laws it didn't stop this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik from making a van bomb and getting his hands on a bunch of automatic weapons and tactical gear to murder 69 kids on an island retreat, if we're going by numbers of dead this is far far worse than any US school shooting, it quickly lost media attention though because we can't jump on the ban guns band wagon when the guns are already banned

One incident that also proves that no matter how much you try to ban something, etc. if someone it determined enough they will find a way. But that common sense measures makes the odds of it happening far smaller than what is happening in the US.
 
UK is an island and much much smaller than US so controlling what comes into the country is a lot more easy
We also have 1/6 the population of the US

Norway has incredibly strict gun laws it didn't stop this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik from making a van bomb and getting his hands on a bunch of automatic weapons and tactical gear to murder 69 kids on an island retreat, if we're going by numbers of dead this is far far worse than any US school shooting, it quickly lost media attention though because we can't jump on the ban guns band wagon when the guns are already banned

Norway has way less gun violence than the US. If you're going to rely on outliers you're not going to be able to present a very credible argument.
 
One incident that also proves that no matter how much you try to ban something, etc. if someone it determined enough they will find a way. But that common sense measures makes the odds of it happening far smaller than what is happening in the US.

It seems that in Nations where guns are banned, mass shootings happen less frequently but the death toll is much higher but they still DO happen despite having guns illegal

And the US is relatively low on the list when it comes to murders per capita at 94 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
 
As I said we have 1/6 the population and also much easier to secure what is smuggled in through our borders being an island

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

I'm sure if we had the countries near our border that America does, we'd have just as high a comparative death rate

Nonsense, sure we'd have more deaths but these school kids are generally not buying guns from Mexican cartels, they're often simply picking up the unsecured and easily available guns they have at home.
 
Nonsense, sure we'd have more deaths but these school kids are generally not buying guns from Mexican cartels, they're often simply picking up the unsecured and easily available guns they have at home.

So it's the fault of the parents for not properly securing their firearms no ?

The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the people using the guns

You restrict those guns it will reduce the crime but it won't stop the crime

Surely it's better to fix the problem that's causing kids to shoot other kids than blame guns and effectively punish millions of law abiding citizens who don't go round shooting each other
 
So it's the fault of the parents for not properly securing their firearms no ?

In the previous school shooting by a ~17 year old he owned the guns used and seems like possibly the same case here as well - seems crazy to me - don't trust em to drink, don't trust them to drive but sure have a few guns.

EDIT: Actually seems they were owned by his father in this case.
 
So it's the fault of the parents for not properly securing their firearms no ?

The problem isn't the guns, the problem is the people using the guns

That's silly, you might as well say actually it isn't the guns that are the problem it's the bullets...

You restrict those guns it will reduce the crime but it won't stop the crime

Bingo!

Yes, it would clearly reduce it (if it were politically feasible to do so).

Surely it's better to fix the problem that's causing kids to shoot other kids than blame guns and effectively punish millions of law abiding citizens who don't go round shooting each other

You can't fix it, there isn't some magic pill that cures all mental health issues. You can try to reduce the risks... but reducing access to guns will likely have a bigger impact on stopping these shootings (and gun crime in general). It isn't an either or thing though... they could try to tackle both mental health and gun control.
 
Not saying it is comparable just it isn't as simple as it has never killed any one.
That's a bit of a straw man then really.

@mmj_uk was comparing UK acid attacks with US gun attacks. That was farcical. Whether there have been 0 deaths in the last few years from acid attacks or 3 doesn't make the attempted comparison/deflection/scaremongering any less bizarre.
 
Ahhh another refreshing take on the experts on OcUK on gun control who are under the surface wanting to ban all guns... Little realizing this would start a major civil war the victors of which would be those with the guns. Genius... Genius.

Shall not be infringed. Tarnish every innocent responsible gun owner because of someone acting illegally. Waiting for more info.

And another person arguing against an extreme point that very few people actually hold.

I certainly don't want to ban all guns, in fact my GF and I have been talking recently about getting a couple of handguns/rifles for sport shooting and hunting, however US gun laws horrific. Lack of background checks, easy availability of certain weapons and accessories and lack of requirement to store them in secure locations* are just three of the many reasons why their laws need reform.

I can't remember if I posted this in last months mass shooting thread but I think it's a reasonable summary of the issues the US faces. In Canada you can buy many of the same weapons you can in the US, but there are much tighter background checks and accessories are more restricted (no bump stocks, large magazines etc.) and strict storage requirements.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada...aws-have-stopped-americas-worst-mass-shooters

Essentially the (admittedly basic) analysis suggests that rather than not being able to get the weapons here, the people probably wouldn't be able to access them due to age/mental health/security requirements.

A simple solution that may well have stopped most of the bi monthly mass shootings in the US** would be a consistent nationwide system, administered by a single entity that performs consistent background checks on all people buying guns, a system where all people buying guns (whether from a gun shop, gun show or privately) have to be checked against, a requirement to keep weapons stored in a secure location that only the permit holder can access (i.e. a gun safe, rather than a handbag, bed side table or glove compartment) and greater restrictions on modifications that can turn semi-automatic into quasi automatic and things like extended mags. These aren't draconian restrictions, they're just standard restrictions most other western countries have, yet the US, with it's patchy legislative system and gung ho attitude (in some states at least), doesn't have and something the NRA is ardently against.

*Yes, some states do have all of these, but some don't.
**Those being the mass school and lone gunman shootings, rather than all the mass shootings...
 
Has Donnie Two Scoops Trump, President of the United States and noted retard, made any remarks yet? It's unfortunate the shooter is white. We sure could do with some of those thoughts and prayers again. That seems to fix the problem.
 
Norway has incredibly strict gun laws it didn't stop this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik from making a van bomb and getting his hands on a bunch of automatic weapons and tactical gear to murder 69 kids on an island retreat, if we're going by numbers of dead this is far far worse than any US school shooting, it quickly lost media attention though because we can't jump on the ban guns band wagon when the guns are already banned


You picked a terrible argument there.

Brevik attempted to illegal option automatic weapons but was unable to do so, so he followed the law joined a club and used a 100% legally bought and owned mini 14 semi automatic rifle.


Had guns been banned there he would never have had a fire arm.
 
Little realizing this would start a major civil war the victors of which would be those with the guns. Genius... Genius.


So the government?

Also lol @ civil war. Most people will not become capable and willing to murdering police officers overnight
 
I wish people would be rational about these shootings and instead of going the obvious but ineffective route of proclaiming that guns need to be banned (A gun never killed anybody without a human holding it) would focus on the bigger issue which is causing kids to become psychotic and go shoot up their fellow class mates.

Trying to bans guns to me is like covering a fire with a box to hide the fire and make it seem like there's no problem when it doesn't actually put out the fire


The funny thing is that putting a box over a fire would work perfectly to put the fire out.


Kinda like how gun control after a school shooting (dunblane 96) in the uk has given us 2 decades without a school shooting...
 
It's their Law and Right they can own it. Who are you to say we should cut that number down? If people want to not own a gun should they be forced to buy one?

While I don't personally agree with the notion of gun rights (so to speak) I am comfortable defending their rights and Laws regardless of what is said. We ban guns here but guess what... People get shot on a near weekly basis

Do you defend democracy? The majority of the US population want stricter gun control. In fact it's not just the majority, two thirds of the US population want stricter gun control. Less than half the population own a gun, the lowest proportion in over half a century.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

http://time.com/5167216/americans-gun-control-support-poll-2018/

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/02/5898...-of-americans-who-want-gun-restrictions-grows

The latter survey was interesting because it shows even amongst republicans the majority want stricter gun control.

The NRA and associated groups do not speak for the majority of the US population, they speak for an ever narrowing minority.
 
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