Is Porsche about to destroy the 'Ring record?
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Looks pretty awesome and sounds epic. This car has broken the Spa lap record set by Hamilton in the 2017 F1 qualifying (although I'd guess this year's F1 cars will be faster than 2017).
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are there bike records for the ring? would be interesting to see the pace difference.
No bike has got under a 7 minute lap I believe.
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I'm sure many of you have seen it already, but...
That Subaru lapped the TT at an average speed of 128.730mph, so only slightly slower than the Senior bikes.
How fast could the Porsche in question lap the TT - 140mph average?
That Subaru lapped the TT at an average speed of 128.730mph, so only slightly slower than the Senior bikes.
How fast could the Porsche in question lap the TT - 140mph average?
Thing with the TT other than the surface you need to be able to change speed extremely rapidly - it probably makes as much difference maybe even more so than cornering ability - hence certain cars will do very well over what are otherwise better track cars, etc.
Bellof was averaging 126 mph to do the 12.9 miles in 6:11.13
Sub 5 minutes would be an AVERAGE speed of over 158 mph for the entire 12.9 miles.
Can't see it myself.
Astonishing pace really.
Agreed and the bumps, cambers and rollercoaster bits would need compromise but this 919 is probably twice the BHP, has much more aero, much more grip and traction and less weight than the Scooby. I think a 140mph lap is feesible (gut feel) based on what the bikes are doing. A 919 would outbreak any bike, probably out accelerate and certainly out corner on most corners. It's issue would be size (width) and ability to damp it enough to deal with said bumpy stuff.
It is an epic compromise and challenge.
7m 10s is the fastest bike around Nurburgring, and that was virtually a stoke bike, certainly a stock engine, not an all out superbike like at the TT, or a race prepped Moto GP bike which would be incredible to see round the ring.
The management at Nurburgring will not sanction any more motorbike records, therefore any one who tries has to do it on a public session with other cars and bikes about, so pretty much rules out any more attempts I reckon, and definitely no proper full on attempts by a manufacturer or a race team.
When you think about it if the 919 (an immensely modified and specialized piece of machinery designed and built purely for the job) does in fact do it, then in the 35 years since the record was set (by a then standard race car nothing extra, just a standard race car built too last the whole season), the average speed will have increased by less than 1mph per year.
The difference would not be that much. Look at the Superstock TT lap times this year...on road tyres (I believe, I am not a bike expert)
I would be surprised if the best road bike would get close to the best production car let alone a 919
The lap has stood because they stopped racing the fastest cars there really. If they had been racing there at the end of the Group C era we would have been well into 5 minute territory by 1991 I suspect.
F1 rules were changed to ban the early ground effect cars (when ground effect down force was in a primitive state) because of the all or nothing nature of it, but all purpose built racing cars these days use some form of ground effect or other.
Strictly speaking Porsche's old record can never be broken because the track layout has changed so the lap can never be repeated.
Strictly speaking Porsche's old record can never be broken because the track layout has changed so the lap can never be repeated.
It has changed a few times, not massively but enough that it would make a difference to times - IIRC in 2011 and 2014 they made some minor changes as well.
This. Bikes simply cannot get around the corners as fast as cars. All the acceleration in the world can't make up for that.
Wait do bikes actually hold the record on the TT course?
I'd have thought cars would have dominated records on revert track compares to bikes.
I mean we accelerate quick but our cornering/braking onna bike is **** compared to cars
Fastest bike ever around TT is a 16mins 50 secs at 134.4mph average.
Fastest car ever around the TT course, was 19 mins 56 secs at 115 mph average.
Fastest top speed in a car is around 160, and fastest top speed on a bike is 206 mph.
Them's facts n stuff
I know there is no real comparison, but there never will be either as the management will never allow any more cars to attempt records at the TT, the ring will not allow any more bikes to attempt records, so it will always be guesswork, as to who will actually be the fastest at each.
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i'll take the Tony Pond lap over that any day.