100 year old woman dies after having neck broken in bag theft

robfosters said:
Absolutely awful, hope he gets what he deserves inside.

Sadly, there’s been another awful incident in Brent. A man invaded the home of a 90 year old woman, who was in bed, and severely beat her to within an inch of her life. Her son discovered her a couple of days later. Link provided with some distressing pics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-44410824
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I get that scum will break in to steal whatever to fund whatever, I don’t agree with it for a moment but understand for some that’s just how it is.

What I’ll never understand is how they could lay a finger on an obviously frail OAP never mind beat them....

I just hope karma visits them and soon.
 
We need a few years of eye-for-an-eye justice, especially in London. You break someone's neck, you get your neck broken as punishment :P
 
Nasher said:
We need a few years of eye-for-an-eye justice, especially in London. You break someone's neck, you get your neck broken as punishment :p
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That was tried in the past. It didn't work. It never will work. Even if you succeed in creating a brutal authoritarian state it won't work forever (and will make life much worse for far more people).

I think a life sentence with the following conversation for parole in the future:

"My client is seeking parole".
"No."
 
Nasher said:
We need a few years of eye-for-an-eye justice, especially in London. You break someone's neck, you get your neck broken as punishment :p
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Despite my first reply, no we don't. What we need is a robust legal system that deals with **** bags like this properly.
 
My dear old granddad always said "3 score years and 10 is good innings".

But that rat who has done that needs 70 years doing bird.

As usual it will be a stupid sentence and he will be out in half the time of his sentence.
 
Orionaut said:
You can still potentially be handed down a "Life" sentence for manslaughter.

I think this is one of those cases where this sanction should be fully utilized...
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To be honest, I don't think that's proportionate.

It's a sad story, but all he did was snatch a purse and shove her over. If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.

Can't imagine causing anything beyond minor injury (cuts/bruises) would have been in mind when committing the act.

He should do time, of course, but let's not get silly.
 
cheesyboy said:
To be honest, I don't think that's proportionate.

It's a sad story, but all he did was snatch a purse and shove her over. If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.

Can't imagine causing anything beyond minor injury (cuts/bruises) would have been in mind when committing the act.

He should do time, of course, but let's not get silly.
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What? What do you suppose tends to happen when you shove someone of obviously such an advanced age over?
 
cheesyboy said:
To be honest, I don't think that's proportionate.

It's a sad story, but all he did was snatch a purse and shove her over. If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.

Can't imagine causing anything beyond minor injury (cuts/bruises) would have been in mind when committing the act.

He should do time, of course, but let's not get silly.
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So what is your justification of someone robbing a 100 year old lady?

Or what is your justification of robbing anyone no matter what age?

He needs to go down for time and even then he is probably too thick to learn of his actions.
 
cheesyboy said:
If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.
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But she did, and she died because of it. And because of that this scum needs to be locked away, and for significantly longer than he would for a mere manslaughter charge. Hopefully he ends up serving his time in a prison full of lonely, hardened lags who all love their Nans.
 
Angilion said:
That was tried in the past. It didn't work. It never will work. Even if you succeed in creating a brutal authoritarian state it won't work forever (and will make life much worse for far more people).

I think a life sentence with the following conversation for parole in the future:

"My client is seeking parole".
"No."
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If they're never getting out then why waste what ever it costs (iirc 40k a year) keeping them incarcerated. Just end their life.
 
itchy said:
So what is your justification of someone robbing a 100 year old lady?

Or what is your justification of robbing anyone no matter what age?

He needs to go down for time and even then he is probably too thick to learn of his actions.
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The justifications to be made are obvious, if a tad pointless to note.

If someone had stolen something from you and you have no proof, thus the Police have no recourse, then are you rightly able to steal it back (as far as the police are concerned it is now theirs)? (rather pointless circular one)

The rest are up to your moral code and whether it's worth it or not.

I wonder how many people steal stuff from hotels with little thought put into it and then go on a rampage about this guy, because there is no difference if you really want to push invariable theft.
 
cheesyboy said:
To be honest, I don't think that's proportionate.

It's a sad story, but all he did was snatch a purse and shove her over. If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.

Can't imagine causing anything beyond minor injury (cuts/bruises) would have been in mind when committing the act.

He should do time, of course, but let's not get silly.
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Constructive manslaughter, unlawful and dangerous act manslaughter, call it what you will:

The defendent was committing an illegal act. Yes.
Sober and reasonable people would conclude that the act subjected the victim to risk of physical harm. Yes.
The victim died as a result of the defendant's unlawful act. Yes.

What's in the defendant's mind is irrelevant to that charge. That's why it's a classification of manslaughter, not a classification of murder.
 
StriderX said:
The justifications to be made are obvious, if a tad pointless to note.

If someone had stolen something from you and you have no proof, thus the Police have no recourse, then are you rightly able to steal it back (as far as the police are concerned it is now theirs)? (rather pointless circular one)

The rest are up to your moral code and whether it's worth it or not.

I wonder how many people steal stuff from hotels with little thought put into it and then go on a rampage about this guy, because there is no difference if you really want to push invariable theft.
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I hate thieves who steal from people with a passion no matter what.

Shop lift all day, but stealing from people or robbing houses then no way.

Moral code you say, you are full of **** the is no way it would happen if you not a rat.

Basically the is no excuse for what he done.

Am out! ;)
 
StriderX said:
The justifications to be made are obvious, if a tad pointless to note.

If someone had stolen something from you and you have no proof, thus the Police have no recourse, then are you rightly able to steal it back (as far as the police are concerned it is now theirs)? (rather pointless circular one)

The rest are up to your moral code and whether it's worth it or not.

I wonder how many people steal stuff from hotels with little thought put into it and then go on a rampage about this guy, because there is no difference if you really want to push invariable theft.
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Did you've really just compare swiping a mini bottle of shampoo from an hotel to the mugging assault and death of an oap?
 
StriderX said:
The justifications to be made are obvious, if a tad pointless to note.

If someone had stolen something from you and you have no proof, thus the Police have no recourse, then are you rightly able to steal it back (as far as the police are concerned it is now theirs)? (rather pointless circular one)

The rest are up to your moral code and whether it's worth it or not.

I wonder how many people steal stuff from hotels with little thought put into it and then go on a rampage about this guy, because there is no difference if you really want to push invariable theft.
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Really? Do people slip the hotel shampoo into their pocket and then go and kill the receptionist for kicks?
 
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