100 year old woman dies after having neck broken in bag theft

cheesyboy said:
To be honest, I don't think that's proportionate.

It's a sad story, but all he did was snatch a purse and shove her over. If she hadn't landed badly then this would barely have made the local rag, let alone make waves in the pages of GD.

Can't imagine causing anything beyond minor injury (cuts/bruises) would have been in mind when committing the act.

He should do time, of course, but let's not get silly.
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I think it is entirely proportionate.

If you brutally assault somebody who is clearly extremely elderly and frail then it is highly likely that serious life changing injury and/or death is an almost inevitable outcome.

The "I didn't mean to do it" defense may have some technical justification but the sentence should reflect the fact that the perp was completely reckless as to the serious injuries or death that he would almost certainly cause.

One would not get away with "Accidentally" killing somebody in a drive by shooting on the basis that you didn't mean to, and under these circumstances this perp shouldn't get away with it either.

Personally I am all for the "Felony Murder" doctrine, then we wouldn't be having this debate.
 
I think we have to learn why people do this, assuming the most basic reason is they need money, then I feel, that's just an other good reason to scrap the entire benefit system and replace it with an UBI system, so they don't need to steal from others. I'm sure there be expectations, but I would imagine it could reduce the problem.

Regarding this guy, I hope he gets least as many years he is old, so 40 in his case.
 
IronWarrior said:
I think we have to learn why people do this, assuming the most basic reason is they need money, then I feel, that's just an other good reason to scrap the entire benefit system and replace it with an UBI system, so they don't need to steal from others. I'm sure there be expectations, but I would imagine it could reduce the problem.

Regarding this guy, I hope he gets least as many years he is old, so 40 in his case.
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They would just spend their UBI and carry on stealing. It runs deeper than a basic need for money.
 
robfosters said:
They would just spend their UBI and carry on stealing. It runs deeper than a basic need for money.
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I think most cases, they stealing to feed their drug habits right? I'm guessing if they getting enough to buy what they need, they might not risk stealing since they getting their needs.

Damn I know anyway, I tried googling up some research, but couldn't really find much. Am sure there is research out there.
 
IronWarrior said:
I think we have to learn why people do this, assuming the most basic reason is they need money, then I feel, that's just an other good reason to scrap the entire benefit system and replace it with an UBI system, so they don't need to steal from others. I'm sure there be expectations, but I would imagine it could reduce the problem.

Regarding this guy, I hope he gets least as many years he is old, so 40 in his case.
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Nobody inherently needs "money", they just need drugs. Drug addicts aren't trying to accumulate wealth, they are trying to be high.

If drug prices were not artificially inflated by thousands of % by the governments in order to maximise proceeds of crime reclamation then it would reduce a lot of more serious crimes.
 
Guest2 said:
Why isn't there a mugshot of this turd? - Arthur
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Because it might make it obvious that he was a hard drug addict. Then people would point their fingers at the government wondering why they make drugs so expensive as well as this utterly stupid drug war which does absolutely nothing but fuel serious crime and help make more money for the elite.
 
asim18 said:
Because it might make it obvious that he was a hard drug addict. Then people would point their fingers at the government wondering why they make drugs so expensive as well as this utterly stupid drug war which does absolutely nothing but fuel serious crime and help make more money for the elite.
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Maybe he was a hard drug addict, maybe not. The governments drug policy has never worked but it doesn't mean all the hard drug addicts should go out and bash old ladies over the head!
 
Roland Butter said:
Another EU imported criminal ?

I've no idea why her Holocaust past is relevant to anything.
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He could be, but he might also be a fully "British" person (IE second or third generation) who happens to have a Polish name.

But, Yes, If he is a Migrant, this represents a massive fail on the part of the immigration "service". People with criminal records for violent crime should have NO right to UK entry. And a 39 year old who is in the habit of robbing old women will not have done this for the first time!"

As for the Holocaust thing.

Yes actually, it is relevant. This poor woman survived all this only to end up being mugged to death by some scumbag (Possibly) drugged up loser.

Me, I would drop him into an oubliette and leave him to rot!

And I would also hope that it would take a very, very, long time for him to die!!
 
Orionaut said:
But, Yes, If he is a Migrant, this represents a massive fail on the part of the immigration "service". People with criminal records for violent crime should have NO right to UK entry. And a 39 year old who is in the habit of robbing old women will not have done this for the first time!"
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Whilst I agree with this part, the rest of your post is conjecture; you don't know for sure that this is a habit of his; it might genuinely be the first time he's attacked someone violently. And even if that's not he case, there's no guarantee he's done it before but not been caught, so might not have a criminal record. So it seems a bit premature to start attacking the immigration system - other than of course to add to the "lets blame the EU for everything" rhetoric.
 
Pushing over a lady of that advanced age will almost certainly lead to broken bones or worse and the punishment should reflect this. Robbing old people is about as low and cowardly as a person can go and I wouldn't have a drop of sympathy for him if he rotted in jail forever.
 
Conscript said:
So it seems a bit premature to start attacking the immigration system - other than of course to add to the "lets blame the EU for everything" rhetoric.
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It's surely salient and important to point out, if the figures showed, that EU immigrants
[ compared to the non immigrant crims ] in a certain locality were responsible for increased criminality.
 
If its established that he had a criminal record then yes, but we don't know for sure that's the case yet. Which is my point, bit stupid to have a pop at immigration for failing to check his record if he has no previous to check.
 
People like him shouldn't be given the mercy of death. I'm very much against the death penalty purely because scum should be made to suffer every day till they die
 
Conscript said:
If its established that he had a criminal record then yes, but we don't know for sure that's the case yet. Which is my point, bit stupid to have a pop at immigration for failing to check his record if he has no previous to check.
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Lol, it's GD, not sure what you'd expect. The closet authoritarians, racists, supremacists, charlatans and bigots all come out to play regardless of what happened.
 
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