SNP leader thrown out the chamber in an unseemly, almost unbelievable debacle.

They would have been granted their debate (3 hours) about the lack of time devoted to devolved matters if they hadn't walked out. They were complaining about getting silenced by not have proper debate and then walk out and in effective silencing themselves by robbing them of the debate they waned. I actually agree with them that more time should be devoted to debate. Having said that I would be surprised if the Lords don't sent it back for the Commons to look at again.

Given our PM's glorious list of compromises and fudges surely she could could up with something that would satisfy everybody. Tying those areas that they are arguing over to some (probably EU) regulations until 2-5 years before they are fully able to legislate?
 
It is the parliamentary equivalent of an attention seeking Facebook user posting along the lines of "I really can't see myself getting through this", subsequently joining the Facebook group "Fans of high bridges far away from medical response teams", and waiting online for the next 24 hours to lap up all the responses.
 
focus130 said:
Given our PM's glorious list of compromises and fudges surely she could could up with something that would satisfy everybody. Tying those areas that they are arguing over to some (probably EU) regulations until 2-5 years before they are fully able to legislate?
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The white paper is going to be an interesting one:

1. There will be no hard border for NI.
2. The UK will seek trade deals with developing nations.
3. Anna Soubry will be given 2 free Eurostar tickets and will be allowed to go through the fast queue at French customs if she promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
4. Boris Johnson will be allowed to mount a leadership bid if he promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
5. Michael Gove will be allowed to scupper Boris Johnson's leadership bid if he promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
6. Something, something EEA
 
naefeart said:
The only one obviously riled up was Blackford. He could have taken his seat, not been a **** and got his vote at the end. Noooo, lets get kicked out and have the rest of the bunch follow in protest. Best way to get yourself heard in parliament. NOT.

It makes a mockery of the whole thing, how can you represent your party/country when you are standing outside like a naughty school boy. I don't pay my taxes for this kind of representation.
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Farage has managed to make a career out of it, and even managed to scare the Tories into the referendum in the first place - it might not be a bad idea!
 
focus130 said:
They would have been granted their debate (3 hours) about the lack of time devoted to devolved matters if they hadn't walked out. They were complaining about getting silenced by not have proper debate and then walk out and in effective silencing themselves by robbing them of the debate they waned. I actually agree with them that more time should be devoted to debate. Having said that I would be surprised if the Lords don't sent it back for the Commons to look at again.

Given our PM's glorious list of compromises and fudges surely she could could up with something that would satisfy everybody. Tying those areas that they are arguing over to some (probably EU) regulations until 2-5 years before they are fully able to legislate?
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Oh please, don't be dense.

There was no point in the debate, the vote had already destroyed devolution (80% support across every party in Scotland). Don't be disingenuous because you think Parliament isn't just a show, because that's all it has been for decades. The SNP tried it the usual adult way, which was never going to achieve anything.

For gods sake a Tory MP told an SNP MP to kill himself, your optics are telling. You clearly have no idea how Westminster works, or even basic politics if you think the PM needed anything from diametrically opposed ministers, she has her taxpayer bought DUP (your money btw, kudos), aswell as some particularly embarrassing Scot Tories that will never vote any other way.

In reality what the SNP could have done was to refuse to leave entirely, forcing PMQ to stop as the master at arms removes by force, strangely they didn't do that.
 
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Oh please, don't be dense.

There was no point in the debate, the vote had already destroyed devolution (80% support across every party in Scotland). Don't be disingenuous because you think Parliament isn't just a show, because that's all it has been for decades. The SNP tried it the usual adult way, which was never going to achieve anything.

For gods sake a Tory MP told an SNP MP to kill himself, your optics are telling. You clearly have no idea how Westminster works, or even basic politics if you think the PM needed anything from diametrically opposed ministers, she has her taxpayer bought DUP (your money btw, kudos), aswell as some particularly embarrassing Scot Tories that will never vote any other way.

In reality what the SNP could have done was to refuse to leave entirely, forcing PMQ to stop as the master at arms removes by force, strangely they didn't do that.
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If they didn't want the debate why did they ask it? Their protest would have been valid either way. As I said agree with their point about lack of time given to the debate.

You say the PM doesn't need anything from opposed ministers? I read an article recently that said she will need SNP support for Heathrow expansion. Surely something if they engaged with her could be a big bargaining chip.

Telling someone to commit suicide is revolting and the speaker should have punished them. Btw, giving your attitude towards me have you thought about becoming an MP? You would certainly fit into the childish environment we see in the HoC every day.
 
FortuitousFluke said:
The white paper is going to be an interesting one:

1. There will be no hard border for NI.
2. The UK will seek trade deals with developing nations.
3. Anna Soubry will be given 2 free Eurostar tickets and will be allowed to go through the fast queue at French customs if she promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
4. Boris Johnson will be allowed to mount a leadership bid if he promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
5. Michael Gove will be allowed to scupper Boris Johnson's leadership bid if he promises to sit down and be quiet until all of this is sorted.
6. Something, something EEA
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Not even 24 hours and I see she is backtracking on her last fudge. You couldn't make it up. Sadly, we don't need to.
 
I watched it earlier, they are all an absolute embarassement to our country. It was like I was watching people from 100 years ago.

No wonder brexit is going to be a shambles. I can't think of any politician who is doing a good job at the minute.
 
focus130 said:
If they didn't want the debate why did they ask it? Their protest would have been valid either way. As I said agree with their point about lack of time given to the debate.

You say the PM doesn't need anything from opposed ministers? I read an article recently that said she will need SNP support for Heathrow expansion. Surely something if they engaged with her could be a big bargaining chip.

Telling someone to commit suicide is revolting and the speaker should have punished them. Btw, giving your attitude towards me have you thought about becoming an MP? You would certainly fit into the childish environment we see in the HoC every day.
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Because clearly only childish things get any respect in the HoC.

Its too god damn long since someone put the focus on Parliament, it's time it took some heat for it's disgraceful existence, i honestly don't care in the grand realm of things, because so long as Brexit continues i get to laugh at all the plebians losing out because of their stupid idea of democracy.
 
A childish publicity stunt.

They got a beating in the last general election losing 21 seats because Sturgeon kept going on about another Scottish Independance vote. They should learn to be more constructive or they might lose more seats!
 
Just the SNP doing what it does best, acting like kids, up where in Scotland when anything goes wrong it has to be the fault of Westminster, the scary thing is we have no real opposition and if it was not for the Green party then the SNP government would be in a bit of a pickle up here.
 
Kemik said:
That's basically what happened. It's likely preplanned off the back of having their 15 minute slot last night to debate devolution removed because a Tory talked until it was too late to fit the slot in. They believe their voice is being restricted. How it looks to most people now is that he wouldn't wait an hour to ask for what he wanted and threw his toys out of the pram.
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The SNP care about one thing, and one thing only, persuading 51% of Scot-voters to back independence. To their supporters this is a principled stand off the back of the contemptible treatment of Scotland yesterday. Remember to them, Westminster is the chamber they're trying to get rid of; they don't care for its function or actions.
 
Mr Jack said:
The SNP care about one thing, and one thing only, persuading 51% of Scot-voters to back independence. To their supporters this is a principled stand off the back of the contemptible treatment of Scotland yesterday. Remember to them, Westminster is the chamber they're trying to get rid of; they don't care for its function or actions.
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That is rubbish. Do you really think the Scottish electorate would continue to support them if they were a one trick pony? There is no doubt that independence is the ultimate goal but to say it is the only thing they care about belongs to the Express/Mail.
The are very level headed about Westminster and know that they have to get what they can from Westminster. They have done a lot for Scotland in difficult circumstances and remember the economy is run from Westminster so there is little they can do economically.
 
A desperate and futile ploy, Indyref 2 is dead in the water, this supposed outrage against Scotland and the Scottish Administration
is designed to rally more supporters to the SNP cause.
 
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