SNP leader thrown out the chamber in an unseemly, almost unbelievable debacle.

[do_ron_ron]

A desperate and futile ploy, Indyref 2 is dead in the water, this supposed outrage against Scotland and the Scottish Administration
is designed to rally more supporters to the SNP cause.

Not at all. This is the situation:-

Anything not reserved by Westminster is devolved to Edinburgh under Devolution

Powers coming back from the EU are not reserved - something which the Govt agrees

The Govt has decided to take those powers over those areas for seven years despite this - the feeling is that once they have them they will not let go.

Time taken to talk about these matters was filibustered by a Tory last night.

Every Scottish party apart from the Tories agrees with the SNP. The Labour leader said today it was against the spirit and aims of the Devolution Bill.

Indyref2 is very much on the backburner and in fact is rarely talked about in the Scottish Parliament and usually then it is the Tories who bring it up along the lines of "everything would be better if we did not have indyref2"

The latest YouGov poll puts them 15 points ahead of the Tories with Labour one point behind the Tories.

 

[No1newts]

It was so weird

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...s-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale

It's like Sunderland near me voting leave, but imbeciles will be imbeciles. A vindictive part of me kind of looks forward to them suffering as they'll get it first and get it worst.

 

[Mr Jack]

The are very level headed about Westminster and know that they have to get what they can from Westminster. They have done a lot for Scotland in difficult circumstances and remember the economy is run from Westminster so there is little they can do economically.

Lol.

 

[Skunkworks]

You know where the EU gets the money they give us, right?

 

[VincentHanna]

Yes, mainly from Germany and France

 

[Dis86]

Yes, mainly from Germany and France

Mainly the Germany aaaaand the UK. We're the second largest net contributor followed by the Netherlands.

 

[Greebo]

Never paid attention before, he appears to have three legal(?) minions sitting in front of him giving him advice.

He also has his own personal barrister which amazes me.

 

[Hotwired]

He also has his own personal barrister which amazes me.

Reminds me of magistrates who do not generally have legal qualifications but are nevertheless accompanied by an experienced solicitor or barrister.

 

[Tefal]

Not at all. This is the situation:-

Anything not reserved by Westminster is devolved to Edinburgh under Devolution

Powers coming back from the EU are not reserved - something which the Govt agrees

The Govt has decided to take those powers over those areas for seven years despite this - the feeling is that once they have them they will not let go.

Time taken to talk about these matters was filibustered by a Tory last night.

Every Scottish party apart from the Tories agrees with the SNP. The Labour leader said today it was against the spirit and aims of the Devolution Bill.

Indyref2 is very much on the backburner and in fact is rarely talked about in the Scottish Parliament and usually then it is the Tories who bring it up along the lines of "everything would be better if we did not have indyref2"

The latest YouGov poll puts them 15 points ahead of the Tories with Labour one point behind the Tories.

What are the specfic power thwyre talking about here.

 

[do_ron_ron]

What are the specfic power thwyre talking about here.

The main ones are agriculture and fishing.

 

[Angilion]

Is that Prima Nocta thing still on the books?

It never was. It's a fictional thing.

 

[lovelyhead]

Wow. Reading this thread is like reading the comments on the express or daily mail websites.

99% of commenters so quick to simply jump on the anti SNP bandwagon. You all need to take off your blinkers and realise how serious this is.

StriderX and do ron ron are the only folk who seem to get it.

The reason the SNP walked out today was indeed to get publicity. Guess what, everyone is talking about it. Mission accomplished.

The reason they did it was so that the pathetic excuse of a media in Scotland had no choice but to cover the story. This in turn draws attention to the fact, and yes it is a fact, that Scottish devolution is over. Westminster have shown that they can and will take back powers that should be devolved whenever they like even if the Scottish government, and indeed the Scottish people, refuse.

Why should you all care? Well if you value the union in any way, you too should be mad about this.

This whole saga has went down very badly in Scotland. YES voters are now re-energised and the Indyref 2 drums are being thumped even louder. Soft NO voters are seeing how badly they were lied to in 2014, what with us leaving the EU against our will and also now having devolution itself destroyed.

Even the man who came up with the famous "vow" on the front of the Daily Record, Murray Foote, has said he would now vote for independence.

There are already protests lined up tomorrow afternoon.

It is quite clear to anyone in Scotland that chooses to see, that we are no longer a nation of equals.

Posters on here need to wake up.

 

[Roland Butter]

The main ones are agriculture and fishing.

Ah yes, would they be the same powers that a newly independant Scotland would happily relinquish when they join the EU ?

They are a joke party, a total embarrassment.

 

[Kill_Phil]

It is quite clear to anyone in Scotland that chooses to see, that we are no longer a nation of equals.

Posters on here need to wake up.

But doesn't the whole point of devolution create inequalitiy and inconsistency across the UK

E.g I would have loved free tuition instead of being lumbered with a load of student debt.

Anyhow as others have pointed out the snp have thrown their toys out with this one, yes it's created publicity but it will be old news to everyone else within the next few days.

I just hate politics/politicians overall and the circus act yesterday is a classic reason as to why.

 

[Irish_Tom]

Why because he stuck to the rules and was totally reasonable about it giving the SNP many warnings. Makes sense.

Probably more to do with the Newsnight investigations that portray him as a sexist, a bully, and now he’s reneging on his promise to step down as speaker after a maximum of nine years.

 

[Mr Jack]

Responding to Brexit with approval for Independence is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Everything that is wrong with Brexit will be worse with independence.

 

[lovelyhead]

But doesn't the whole point of devolution create inequalitiy and inconsistency across the UK

E.g I would have loved free tuition instead of being lumbered with a load of student debt.

Anyhow as others have pointed out the snp have thrown their toys out with this one, yes it's created publicity but it will be old news to everyone else within the next few days.

I just hate politics/politicians overall and the circus act yesterday is a classic reason as to why.

You are missing the point.

Scotland is no longer a representative democracy. Let that sink in.

It isnt about what Scotland gets that the rest of the uk does i.e. free tution.

Scotland voted to remain in the EU. We are being taken out.

Scotland's elected representatives at Westminster have been completely ignored by the government. Not even being allowed to speak before the vote the other day even though the vote was about effectivley ending devolution.

Every party at in the Scottish parliment except the tories stood against Westminsters power grab. They were completley ignored.

Scottish voters have now been shown, clear as day, that their vote does not matter.

This may suit many posters on here. Seeing the Scottish brought down a peg obviously appeals to their sensibilities. However to anyone who wants the union to remain intact, you should be aware of the fact that Westminster is doing its best to destroy it.

The better together campaign at the next indy referendum (which is now a certainty) is going to be hillarious.

 

[mburn_83]

Responding to Brexit with approval for Independence is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Everything that is wrong with Brexit will be worse with independence.

Except that for many Scottish Independance was before brexit; although ironically many were swayed by the vow made by MPs of every party which included promises of more powers and remaining in the EU...

Roll on round 2.

 

[Nasher]

Mainly the Germany aaaaand the UK. We're the second largest net contributor followed by the Netherlands.

Yea, the top contributors on their own pay more than the rest combined. So we see why they want those billions so badly.

Anyway, Scotland can leave tbh. The rest of the UK are getting sick of hearing it now. Even if we voted to remain in the EU the SNP would still be banging on about "independence". Give it a few years after they leave and they'll be back asking for money when they go broke.

 

[Kemik]

They have done a lot for Scotland in difficult circumstances and remember the economy is run from Westminster so there is little they can do economically.

They have done a lot for Scotland... with England's money. England has been funding Scotland to keep them sweet for years. If spend per head were equalised I would expect most of the freebies to rapidly disappear.