Hillsborough inquest verdict.

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rubberduck said:
The trouble with these public enquires is that they basically have to give the victims what they want (i.e the perception of justice) in order to avoid being deemed as a 'cover up' or a 'farce'... In todays environment of social media etc. the person leading the enquiry is so horribly exposed to hatred and retribution should they even question the responsibility of the victims they might as well sign their own death warrant. As such, you can forget about any degree of impartiality and, as I have stated before, might as well just cut out the middle man and cost and just let the victims write the key findings themselves.

It's happening with the grooming enquiry and will happen again with Grenfell
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Pretty much my thoughts.

The people at fault will probably get away with little more than a slap on the wrist as well. Probably a token jail sentence that will never actually be served.
 
Spotted that on sara williams's facebook this morning..

My feelings are torn though... Yes he should be prosecuted but if found guilty I'm torn on whether a custodial sentence is required...What would prison do?
 
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Serve as a deterrent to other officers who think incompetence resulting in mass death, lying over decades and causing untold misery to hundreds if not thousands is not something to be walked away from scot free?
 
mattyg said:
What would prison do?
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Didn't you hear? It'll magically bring all the victims back to life, so them and their families can finally go about their lives as if nothing ever happened...

If I was David Duckenfield I would just move to Spain or somewhere where he can't be found or extradited. He'll be hounded until the end of his days no matter what punishment is served.
 
Scam said:
Didn't you hear? It'll magically bring all the victims back to life, so them and their families can finally go about their lives as if nothing ever happened...

If I was David Duckenfield I would just move to Spain or somewhere where he can't be found or extradited. He'll be hounded until the end of his days no matter what punishment is served.
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If he did that I'm sure the Scousers would find him. He's safer going through the courts.
 
I found my thread from almost exactly this time last year.
Scam said:
This was never going to go away until police officers went to jail, that much was obvious...
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And a great post from Huddy.
Admiral Huddy said:
You are right.. I do not believe to this day anyone meant any harm to anyone. People forget this was at a time when to be honest, no one had a clue about crowd control or public safety. Our stadiums were out of date and dismal to say the least. Things only improved because of Hillsborough and Bradford. We can't compare the standards of today with that near 30 years ago..
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I think manslaughter is utterly ludicrous. It's the same as putting the poor lead firefighter from Grenfell in the dock and blaming him for all the deaths, whilst ignoring all the other contributing factors. If that happened, there would be outrage. But you know, "police-bad-mkay" :thumbs-down: and all that...

It seems most people arguing to punish the police are most outraged about the cover-up. A manslaughter charge doesn't have anything to do with that. So it all smacks of trial by baying mob, rather than anything sensible. If the guy can't be charged for perjury or something similar, I'm sorry but that is the end of it. You can't blame him solely for 96 deaths just because you want to see him in jail.
 
Scam said:
I found my thread from almost exactly this time last year.


And a great post from Huddy.


I think manslaughter is utterly ludicrous. It's the same as putting the poor lead firefighter from Grenfell in the dock and blaming him for all the deaths, whilst ignoring all the other contributing factors. If that happened, there would be outrage. But you know, "police-bad-mkay" :thumbs-down: and all that...

It seems most people arguing to punish the police are most outraged about the cover-up. A manslaughter charge doesn't have anything to do with that. So it all smacks of trial by baying mob, rather than anything sensible. If the guy can't be charged for perjury or something similar, I'm sorry but that is the end of it. You can't blame him solely for 96 deaths just because you want to see him in jail.
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If he dindu nothin, there was no cover-up, right?
 
the people how pushed into the back of the stadium are equally to blame, they knew it was full before they tried to get in.
 
zophiel said:
the people how pushed into the back of the stadium are equally to blame, they knew it was full before they tried to get in.
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That discussion's already been had at the inquest. It established that Duckenfield's original claim that fans forced a gate into the ground, causing a rush of supporters, was a lie, which he admitted. He had ordered the gate to be opened, causing the rush.

It's going to be a tricky one to argue against in court, considering his admissions at the inquest.

Myth: The sudden inrush of 2,000 fans which led to the fatal crushing on the terraces was caused by Liverpool fans who "forced a gate" to enter the stadium. This was a lie told by match commander David Duckenfield.

What we know: How so many fans entered the ground just a few minutes before kick-off lies at the centre of the Hillsborough disaster. The allegation that fans had forced their way in through exit gate C came from match commander David Duckenfield. However, he admitted at the inquests that this had been a lie.

Knowing full well that it was he who had ordered the gate to be opened, he instead told the FA Chief Executive Graham Kelly and the Sheffield Wednesday FC club secretary Graham Mackrell in the police control box that "a gate had been forced and there had been an inrush of Liverpool supporters". This lie was later presented to the media as the official police version of events and heavily influenced newspaper reports of the tragedy.

Giving evidence at the Hillsborough Inquests, Mr Duckenfield admitted: "Everybody knew the truth. The fans and police knew the truth that we'd opened the gates." The jury was asked to consider why he lied - whether it was in panic or fear of public disorder. Or because Mr Duckenfield knew his actions beforehand were responsible for the crushing in the pens. Mr Duckenfield also admitted failing to tell Mr Kelly and Mr Mackrell that it was his order to open the exit gate C - a "lie by omission", he told the jury.

The inquests were told that Mr Duckenfield's lie, shared in good faith with the media by the FA chief executive Graham Kelly, led to some seriously inaccurate reporting of events.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732
 
it doesnt matter if they opened the gate or not, the fans outside knew it was full and are equally to blame.

either that or they are just super retarded that it was locked being full one minute, then open still being full the next.
 
zophiel said:
now go back and read the full sentence past your blinkers
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You should really go back and educate yourself. The stand wasn't full when he gave the order to open the exit gate, the order that he lied about as the disaster was unfolding in order to put the blame onto the supporters rather than do something to save lives.
 
dl8860 said:
He deserves everything he gets for the coverup. But manslaughter is simply wrong.
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Why is it? As the disaster was unfolding, rather than do something to save lives his first and only thought was to protect himself from blame by spreading lies about supporters opening the gate that he ordered to be opened. He deserves everything he gets and so much more.
 
I wonder if in 2037 we'll be hunting down that firefighter from Grenfell I mentioned earlier. I still think Duckenfield should be punished for lying, but there's no way he can be solely to blame for the deaths.
 
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