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Some damaged goods in this thread. 
More women freezing eggs due to "unreliable men"
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As mentioned earlier in his thread, women have been promised that they can have it all; fun, career and then meet Mr Right to have kids whenever they want. Even films perpetuate this story. But unfortunately life really isn't like that. An older woman may suddenly find it harder to find a man when she decides it's time to settle down. In later life they are competing against women younger than themselves.
Of course it is possible for wo.e women tohave it all. My wife is older than me as one example and she has a career and kids. But it becomes harder for them to find a partner willing to have children.
If I were to become single tomorrow then I wouldn't be interested in having children again and I would probably only be interested in dating women younger than me. That's not to say they would necessarily be interested in me too, but it's to highlight the fact women are competing against younger versions of themselves.
Of course it is possible for wo.e women tohave it all. My wife is older than me as one example and she has a career and kids. But it becomes harder for them to find a partner willing to have children.
If I were to become single tomorrow then I wouldn't be interested in having children again and I would probably only be interested in dating women younger than me. That's not to say they would necessarily be interested in me too, but it's to highlight the fact women are competing against younger versions of themselves.
From a quick google it suggests that this isn't something women have done in their early 20's so I would imagine its generally done early to late 30's as its apparently not very effective past age 37. The fact that they are even considering this means they probably have well paying jobs as another quick google suggests it costs $10,000 + $800 per year, this is not a trivial amount of money especially since it's not guaranteed to work.
To me this suggests these women did focus on careers and they simply can't meet men that conform to their standards, either because those standards are too high or suitable men are already married off at this age. "Lack of stable partners" simply seems to be an attempt to pass the buck on to males, these women are a victim of their own life choices, nothing more.
To me this suggests these women did focus on careers and they simply can't meet men that conform to their standards, either because those standards are too high or suitable men are already married off at this age. "Lack of stable partners" simply seems to be an attempt to pass the buck on to males, these women are a victim of their own life choices, nothing more.
No kids for me
Not got a good enough job and at 32 I don't own house (probably a year away). So not got the budget for it.
And I don't want to be tied down and unable to enjoy my life while I can.
I also find it stressful to be unable to do things spur of the moment.
Plus so many relationships end.
I don't like children helps lol.
Not got a good enough job and at 32 I don't own house (probably a year away). So not got the budget for it.
And I don't want to be tied down and unable to enjoy my life while I can.
I also find it stressful to be unable to do things spur of the moment.
Plus so many relationships end.
I don't like children helps lol.
This is just the expected result of women's hypergamy (the tendency for women to always want to date/marry 'up') coming into conflict with modern life.
Women's hypergamy can be seen from a number of different sources such as the difference in the sex based ratio of who swipes left and right on Tinder to the fact that we all have around twice as many female ancestors as male ones.
Women have been conditioned by society to beleive that they can 'have it all' and in their late 30's, after establishing a career, can find Mr right whoose a 9 or a 10 (even though the woman concerned realistically might only be a 6 or a 7).
Worse still the men available who match such a woman's profile don't generally want such a woman, well past her sexual market value prime, whoose potentially been busy riding the carousel for the past twenty years or so when they can date younger women with relative ease.
Women's hypergamy can be seen from a number of different sources such as the difference in the sex based ratio of who swipes left and right on Tinder to the fact that we all have around twice as many female ancestors as male ones.
Women have been conditioned by society to beleive that they can 'have it all' and in their late 30's, after establishing a career, can find Mr right whoose a 9 or a 10 (even though the woman concerned realistically might only be a 6 or a 7).
Worse still the men available who match such a woman's profile don't generally want such a woman, well past her sexual market value prime, whoose potentially been busy riding the carousel for the past twenty years or so when they can date younger women with relative ease.
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In my experience, this is entirely possible if your wife is addicted to Love Island and Big Brother.
Who cares its a minuscule section of women that will be so much hard work that it can only be a benefit to mankind if they don't have kids conventionally.
Procreation/childbirth is still firmly in the women's court so in the next 100 years id expect this kind of BS to be commonplace. Single men will be able to get a cloned baby thus avoiding the effort of women too.
Procreation/childbirth is still firmly in the women's court so in the next 100 years id expect this kind of BS to be commonplace. Single men will be able to get a cloned baby thus avoiding the effort of women too.
There is a saying that I increasingly feel is probably accurate... "Men are born poor and die rich while women are born rich and die poor". In other words men accumulate what's attractive as they get older but women lose their attraction as they get older.
Men do, of course, lose their looks as well. But that can partly be offset with a growing confidence, status and financial accumulation as their career progresses. But many men value looks highly in their partner and that is exactly what many women lose as they hit their mid to late 30's. To say that men value looks and women value assets is, of course, an over simplification. But there is a degree of truth in it.
Men do, of course, lose their looks as well. But that can partly be offset with a growing confidence, status and financial accumulation as their career progresses. But many men value looks highly in their partner and that is exactly what many women lose as they hit their mid to late 30's. To say that men value looks and women value assets is, of course, an over simplification. But there is a degree of truth in it.
I'm married, in my 40s with a daughter, would love another kid but we probably can't afford it so won't.
There's increasingly little reason for men to settle down with a partner, most of my friends have no intention of doing so and frankly most don't even want one kid, nevermind a family. Those which have been married or shacked up in the past have no intention of doing so again as it's too much of a financial gamble.
Isn't this the world women wanted? They have probably more control over families than at any time in history, unfortunately the side effect is men no longer wanting to get involved when tinder is an option for a quick bit of fun without the long term stuff. Girl power folks, seems to be working well for my mates.
There's increasingly little reason for men to settle down with a partner, most of my friends have no intention of doing so and frankly most don't even want one kid, nevermind a family. Those which have been married or shacked up in the past have no intention of doing so again as it's too much of a financial gamble.
Isn't this the world women wanted? They have probably more control over families than at any time in history, unfortunately the side effect is men no longer wanting to get involved when tinder is an option for a quick bit of fun without the long term stuff. Girl power folks, seems to be working well for my mates.
Wow
So much misogyny and ignorance in this thread as usual.
For every bunny boiling woman wanting to trap a man into having kids, there is a irresponsible man who procreates without care leaving the woman to spend the rest of her life dealing with it.
Men are avoiding commitment due to unstable women.
...The headline SHOULD read
Less and less western men are interested in having kids. Too risky, too expensive (for the man), why throw away your freedom?
Amen. You cannot imagine what I have encountered all those years which I have remained free after the divorce -_-
Don't start me with dating sites. Tried it for two months after the divorce, 9 years ago, and saw the mentality there.
Most are with children, you have to work around that, and on the third date they pull out the excel spreadsheet checking your finances.
Also the idea of the dating sites is just like doing the checklist if you inspect a car. Which I find completely impersonal.
Mate, that's the reason 20 year old girls are out there. Especially if you are OK looking and have good chatting skills.
Also Britain is not Greece. The wives here are not going to find your girlfriend in public space and beat her until the police separates them.
Worst case scenario your wife will ask for divorce.
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The thing is, they already did have as much value as anyone else, but women on the whole failed to acknowledge how exactly & where the playing field was tipped in their direction. Control of family spending, control of children, dominance of the teaching profession, under represented in hard / dirty / dangerous jobs, favourable treatment by the legal system etc etc. - I don't see anyone campaigning for equality in these areas. Traditional gender roles did actually result in a fairly equal & happy society & the 21st century version of man-hating feminism is at risk of ruining it (for women primarily)
Women are attracted to men who are of equal or higher social status than them. When women become successful they want men who are also successful as them but there are less of these men to choose from because by the time women get any success all the men they are attracted to are either taken or are not interested in a 30 something woman as these guys who are high social status could easily attract an early 20 something woman. A successful man would marry a woman that works in McDonalds. A man who works at McDonalds is invisible to successful women.
The amount of sexism in this thread is absolutely shocking!
I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.
The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.
I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.
The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.