More women freezing eggs due to "unreliable men"

[ci_newman]

The thing is, they already did have as much value as anyone else, but women on the whole failed to acknowledge how exactly & where the playing field was tipped in their direction. Control of family spending, control of children, dominance of the teaching profession, under represented in hard / dirty / dangerous jobs, favourable treatment by the legal system etc etc. - I don't see anyone campaigning for equality in these areas. Traditional gender roles did actually result in a fairly equal & happy society & the 21st century version of man-hating feminism is at risk of ruining it (for women primarily)

But the point of the balancing is that people (or women) don't want to be shoe-horned into a primarily care-giving role (exactly the roles you've just listed, spending, children, teaching). When I was growing up, if I was told that society would expect me to spend my life at home as a house-husband, you can bet the results would be the same as what we're seeing with women right now. I don't want to be told what I can and cannot do, my limitations should be because of my own weaknesses and not simply because of what society expects of me.

The system isn't perfect, there are still bias in the law but it is gradually improving. You cannot hope to achieve a single fix overnight, the old status quo was in place for hundreds of years and changes like this take generations not weeks.

 

[J.T]

Women are attracted to men who are of equal or higher social status than them. When women become successful they want men who are also successful as them but there are less of these men to choose from because by the time women get any success all the men they are attracted to are either taken or are not interested in a 30 something woman as these guys who are high social status could easily attract an early 20 something woman. A successful man would marry a woman that works in McDonalds. A man who works at McDonalds is invisible to successful women.

Well said!

 

[Ayahuasca]

Hypergamy is a very uncomfortable subject for the masses.

 

[MooMoo444]

Women just want to find the perfect man with 100k income and good looks while she sits at home watching loose women and love island.

 

[Nasher]

Women are attracted to men who are of equal or higher social status than them. When women become successful they want men who are also successful as them but there are less of these men to choose from because by the time women get any success all the men they are attracted to are either taken or are not interested in a 30 something woman as these guys who are high social status could easily attract an early 20 something woman. A successful man would marry a woman that works in McDonalds. A man who works at McDonalds is invisible to successful women.

Yes this is a big part of it. Many women will expect a wealthy man who will carry them though life, but the number of men who will tolerate these women is on the decline. A divorced women with a kid? No chance, that looks like trouble from a mile away.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Hahaha,

I mean i'm not shocked really..... looking at the state of things.

Edit: Also lol at the "unrealiable" men. Ha... no.

 

[krooton]

Women are attracted to men who are of equal or higher social status than them. When women become successful they want men who are also successful as them but there are less of these men to choose from because by the time women get any success all the men they are attracted to are either taken or are not interested in a 30 something woman as these guys who are high social status could easily attract an early 20 something woman. A successful man would marry a woman that works in McDonalds. A man who works at McDonalds is invisible to successful women.

While I agree that a male McDonalds employee probably is invisible to most women, I disagree that a successful man would marry anything.

Personally, I wouldn't be with someone who wasn't within 25% of my earnings (unless they were in a lower paying role that I still see as valuable, like teaching or nurses).

I do not want to be the bread-winner or have the financial stability of our family rest solely on my shoulders, it is a partnership after all.

Luckily my lady actually out-earns me

 

[fez]

This really isn't a big issue. Its just a small set of women who have suddenly become empowered by the current thinking of "women are horrendously oppressed so we must take everything every woman complains about as a real problem". Most men and women are perfectly normal and lead lives that they are reasonably happy with. Then you have the outliers and weirdos who won't admit that there is something wrong with themselves. We all have friends who are completely unreasonable, go through partners like they are goldfish and complain that "all men/women are the worst" or "why are there no decent men left". We have taught people that there is never anything wrong or negative about themselves and its always someone elses fault so its not surprising that they look externally when it comes to issues with relationships.

Its also completely acceptable to divorce, be a single parent and never work. I'm sure there were plenty of people in the past who would have divorced if it didn't mean a much harder life for them and their children. Basically these women are talking **** and I would bet a large amount of money that if you spoke to their friends/ex partners you would very quickly see that the problem isn't with the 30 men they have dated, its with the one woman they have in common.

 

[Deleted User 234324]

Funnily enough my brother is currently going through this very thing. Married for 13 years, 2 kids. Women wasnt happy wanted to have more of a social life (she was cheating basically), she's a crap mother but still has the kids because apparently they need her (according to her), even though they both would rather live with their dad who earns 10-15 times what the ex wife does, and actually looks after them properly.

The really ironic thing though is that barely 3 months after spottings she got pregnant so there goes any social life she wanted and can guarantee the current kids will be pushed aside and neglected even more.

 

[Caracus2k]

Moral of the story for the men is don't marry a woman who earns a wage significantly below your own and don't allow a wife or partner to become a stay at home parent to any children you may have.

If you do decide to have children make sure you make time to look after them aswell.

 

[Ayahuasca]

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Basically she lives life on tutorial mode whilst he’s playing Dark Souls wearing a calamity ring.

 

[hardkore]

The amount of sexism in this thread is absolutely shocking!

I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.

The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.

Well said.

 

[Drizmod]

While I agree that a male McDonalds employee probably is invisible to most women, I disagree that a successful man would marry anything...

I do take your point. My point was that in the main social status of women does not really matter that much to most men. It matters a lot to women. That's why in a society where more and more women are doing very well for themselves its not surprising that marriage rates and birth rates may be declining (amongs't other reasons)

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Funnily enough my brother is currently going through this very thing. Married for 13 years, 2 kids. Women wasnt happy wanted to have more of a social life (she was cheating basically), she's a crap mother but still has the kids because apparently they need her (according to her), even though they both would rather live with their dad who earns 10-15 times what the ex wife does, and actually looks after them properly.

The really ironic thing though is that barely 3 months after spottings she got pregnant so there goes any social life she wanted and can guarantee the current kids will be pushed aside and neglected even more.

Ha,

I've got 2 examples of that happen in my life. Not me but friends of family etc. Pretty much the same story....

Then woman wonder why men don't want to get married. To be frank.... if you have any kind of financial "muscle" ie own your own house have etc etc you'd have to be a total idiot to get married. You are effectively signing a contract that allows her to take half your stuff if she ups and decides to one day.

If we look at it purely rationally and remove "muh feels" it's a stupid decision....

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

I can almost smell the anger, resentment, and fear coming from this thread.

You guys are awesome

 

[CREATIVE!11]

The amount of sexism in this thread is absolutely shocking!

I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.

The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.

Can you post some examples of this shocking sexism?

Just quote all the posts you deem sexist. I'm interested to see, I'm also asking you to quote them rather than go back and read because our definitions of sexism may differ massively. There are a couple OBVIOUS ones.... but it seems to me just guys exaggerating on a forum.

 

[malachi]

Women are attracted to men who are of equal or higher social status than them. When women become successful they want men who are also successful as them but there are less of these men to choose from because by the time women get any success all the men they are attracted to are either taken or are not interested in a 30 something woman as these guys who are high social status could easily attract an early 20 something woman. A successful man would marry a woman that works in McDonalds. A man who works at McDonalds is invisible to successful women.

Can’t argue with that! Well said.

 

[Reeve]

The amount of sexism in this thread is absolutely shocking!

I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.

The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.

You're not going to win over hearts and minds if all you do is try and shame others. You might say that there's no changing minds here but there will be receptive people on the fence that haven't posted at all.

 

[Caracus2k]

I can almost smell the anger, resentment, and fear coming from this thread.

You guys are awesome

Other than some rather inflammatory contributions from one poster this thread has been a rather level headed discussion of a situation relevant to heterosexual men...

But the usual suspects have to come out to call men discussing relationship based issues that may be relevant to them 'sexist'...

Just like 'professional victim' Jess Phillips laughing at the suggestion that mens issues should also be discussed in Parliament the misadnry of some is all too apparent.

 

[toprock]

Men are avoiding commitment due to unstable women.

...The headline SHOULD read

Less and less western men are interested in having kids. Too risky, too expensive (for the man), why throw away your freedom?

THIS

The amount of sexism in this thread is absolutely shocking!

I've no issues with blokes not wanting kids, I fully understand the selfish need to enjoy your life the way it is and how you want to. This was my 7 years ago when my wife wanted to start our family. It is selfish and there's nothing wrong with it, however, I will say that I wouldn't change my life with my 2 kids now. It's been the most rewarding 6 years of my life and I can honestly say that if it wasn't for my children my depression would have claimed my life by now.

The views being stated about women in general shows that it's a good thing some of you aren't breeding, in fact, you shouldn't be allowed out into the world at all. What's worse is that this forum is a family forum, we have many female members and I hope they don't have to read the complete bull **** that some of you are posting.

I hear this a lot from those with the sole mentality or everyone should get married, everyone should have kids, everyone should go on holiday abroad all inclusive to sit around the pool with brits for 2 weeks a year.

I'm not quite sure how not wanting kids is selfish, its a choice, freedom or not, some people just hate kids, and its not the lifestyle for them. My entire social group, most around age 35-40, with partners, all don't have any plan for kids I'm not sure where, why, when or how this is selfish