More women freezing eggs due to "unreliable men"

Given the risk of success with IVF this is a worrying trend where by many women will miss the opportunity of having a family. My wife and I had children in our late 30's and I would recommend my kids don't leave it so late. My generation and those a just a bit younger do seem to be getting themselves in a pickle over-reaching in what they can achieve in life.
 
Caracus2k said:
Other than some rather inflammatory contributions from one poster this thread has been a rather level headed discussion of a situation relevant to heterosexual men...

But the usual suspects have to come out to call men discussing relationship based issues that may be relevant to them 'sexist'...

Just like 'professional victim' Jess Phillips laughing at the suggestion that mens issues should also be discussed in Parliament the misadnry of some is all too apparent.
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It's pretty much every thread like clockwork.

You are either; sexist, bitter, a virgin, can't get girls blah blah. List goes on.... for some reason some guys get REALLY triggered when you discuss some of these topics like hypergamy, divorce heavily favouring women etc etc.
 
Caracus2k said:
Moral of the story for the men is don't marry a woman who earns a wage significantly below your own and don't allow a wife or partner to become a stay at home parent to any children you may have.

If you do decide to have children make sure you make time to look after them aswell.
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Can’t agree more.

Yes having kids is expensive but it’s not the 1800’s anymore. Both partners should be working, non of this stop at home parent well into the kids have started school. If the kids are at school from 9am till 3pm then what are they doing during those 6 hours???

I look at some of the women in my job, single parents yet they can hold down a full time job, have their own place and car. One is doing a part time degree too.

They all deserve a high five.
 
Nasher said:
Men are avoiding commitment due to unstable women.

...The headline SHOULD read :p

Less and less western men are interested in having kids. Too risky, too expensive (for the man), why throw away your freedom?
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i think it's mainly due to western society not having as close family bonds.

so they see family as a burden rather than an integral way of living.

put it this way you wouldn't be here if your family thought the same way in the past. who do you rely on if you have no family? who can you ask for help in times of needs? basically western people, especially men are selfish. it's my money, i'm scared to lose it, i don't want to be paying for kids, etc. it's all about you and your lifestyle rather than the bigger picture.
 
Some of the views are sexist.

Unfortunately for Women at some point a career/kids decision has to be made. We are not at the point whereby biology can be ignored for having kids. Men don'
have this problem to such a degree
If you are a woman and really want kids and want a father around leaving it late is risky.
Especially 35plus. Because of the dating, getting to know them etc etc. Easier if you want to be a single parent, but the actual parenting is harder!

It's always impressive to see single parents (men and women) holding down
job and looking after kids. I. Don'
know how they do it!

It's a shame some people think not wanting kids is selfish.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
It's pretty much every thread like clockwork.

You are either; sexist, bitter, a virgin, can't get girls blah blah. List goes on.... for some reason some guys get REALLY triggered when you discuss some of these topics like hypergamy, divorce heavily favouring women etc etc.
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Dj_Jestar said:
OcUK incels club going strong, I see.
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Can't speak for others here but I am a married father with a working wife who out earns me?

But if it makes it easier to just slur anyone who may have an uncomfortable thought for you on an issue crack on.

Obviously there are some 'incel' loons out there it that's not really the jist of this thread now is it?
 
malachi said:
Can’t agree more.

Yes having kids is expensive but it’s not the 1800’s anymore. Both partners should be working, non of this stop at home parent well into the kids have started school. If the kids are at school from 9am till 3pm then what are they doing during those 6 hours???

I look at some of the women in my job, single parents yet they can hold down a full time job, have their own place and car. One is doing a part time degree too.

They all deserve a high five.
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car and home on rent/lease no doubt. on 35 year mortgages, etc.

those 6 hours? well it's called house work. how long do you think it takes to clean a 5 bedroom house? who does all the washing, the ironing, cooking, etc for 3-5 people?

they also may work part time on top of all of that.

i take it you aren't married or have kids?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i think it's mainly due to western society not having as close family bonds.

so they see family as a burden rather than an integral way of living.

put it this way you wouldn't be here if your family thought the same way in the past. who do you rely on if you have no family? who can you ask for help in times of needs? basically western people, especially men are selfish. it's my money, i'm scared to lose it, i don't want to be paying for kids, etc. it's all about you and your lifestyle rather than the bigger picture.
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For me the freedom is such a big part and cost and time.

And you can't rely on family to look after you.

My grandparents are being tortured by inheritance issues at the moment. Its' disgusting. Puts me off kids even more
 
413x said:
For me the freedom is such a big part and cost and time.

And you can't rely on family to look after you.

My grandparents are being tortured by inheritance issues at the moment. Its' disgusting. Puts me off kids even more
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you can if you come from a decent one.

again inheritance issues back up my point about selfishness. all people want to do is improve their ego any way they can.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
car and home on rent/lease no doubt. on 35 year mortgages, etc.

those 6 hours? well it's called house work. how long do you think it takes to clean a 5 bedroom house? who does all the washing, the ironing, cooking, etc for 3-5 people?

they also may work part time on top of all of that.

i take it you aren't married or have kids?
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I can only assume you have been had over by your partner if you think you need anything like six + hours a day, five days a week to keep a home tidy and put dinner on the table.

As above married father here with a full time working partner. We split cooking evening meals do a bit of cleaning as we go on weekday evenings and about four hours cleaning each over the weekend.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
i think it's mainly due to western society not having as close family bonds.

so they see family as a burden rather than an integral way of living.

put it this way you wouldn't be here if your family thought the same way in the past. who do you rely on if you have no family? who can you ask for help in times of needs? basically western people, especially men are selfish. it's my money, i'm scared to lose it, i don't want to be paying for kids, etc. it's all about you and your lifestyle rather than the bigger picture.
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But at the end of the day it’s about protecting you are your own interests regardless if you have money or not. Yes it can be seen as selfish but when you feel pain who else is going to feel it about from you? No one.

Close family bonds went out the window for the western world decades ago. So many people these days with different kids by different partners due to a history of failed relationships or some who got married out of convenience just to please their family.
 
CREATIVE!11 said:
It's pretty much every thread like clockwork.

You are either; sexist, bitter, a virgin, can't get girls blah blah. List goes on.... for some reason some guys get REALLY triggered when you discuss some of these topics like hypergamy, divorce heavily favouring women etc etc.
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Probably the same guys who aren't allowed to play video games or go to the pub with their mates. Generally the type of guys who are low in assertiveness and high in agreeableness, let their partner make most of the decisions and worry they'd struggle to find a new partner if they had to, so they "try not to rock the boat". A lot probably suffer from low testosterone which leads to things like anxiety and depression, they are generally unhappy people and become resentful of men who aren't like them, so they have little digs at them on internet forums and make passive aggressive comments to work colleagues and acquaintances.
 
chroniclard said:
I wonder if many of you actually know any women? :rolleyes::)
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This is always a flawed argument for both men and women as how many people do you truly know, if any and how many of them voice their true beliefs in public? Speaking with people at work or say a friends partner at a social gathering just gives you one aspect of their persona, and one that's likely tailored to come across as virtuous.
 
Most people can probably afford to bring up one or two kids but they probably will have to sacrifice their lifestyle (less holidays, less money to spend on hobbies etc.) This is fine though, not wanting kids ins't selfish as people aren't required to do so, it's just the done thing. To me it's more selfish to have kids when you know you can't afford or give them enough time for a decent life.
 
Roar87 said:
Probably the same guys who aren't allowed to play video games or go to the pub with their mates. Generally the type of guys who are low in assertiveness and high in agreeableness, let their partner make most of the decisions and worry they'd struggle to find a new partner if they had to, so they "try not to rock the boat". A lot probably suffer from low testosterone which leads to things like anxiety and depression, they are generally unhappy people and become resentful of men who aren't like them, so they have little digs at them on internet forums and make passive aggressive comments to work colleagues and acquaintances.
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So they should be more like Alphas and not betas? :p
 
malachi said:
Close family bonds went out the window for the western world decades ago. So many people these days with different kids by different partners due to a history of failed relationships or some who got married out of convenience just to please their family.
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Surely this was more common 100+ years ago? I'm sure plenty of people stayed in unhappy or bad relationships purely to survive back then, not out of love.
 
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