Interesting if foolish, thanks.
Thai cave rescue - One of the divers has died
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I think he meant to fly in the cave, pick up the stranded boys and return them to safety
It's been done before I'm sure
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Can we get a crowdfunding thing going so we can get danlightsonnooneathome a ticket to Thailand so he can take charge of these silly local johnnies and get this rescue wrapped up asap???
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Yet we can get it onto oil rigs no problem. And while we're on that subject, those divers work at the bottom of the sea for weeks on end.
Id rather have an engineering diver there than a cave diver/part time rock climber in his VW camper.
Bah the best and easiest plans scuppered early on.
Right onto the next best - mass alien abduction........ get the boys to play the theme tune to close encounters on panpipes. The aliens would swoop in gather them all up and maybe return them in 20 years time without any recollection.
*makes joke about having a large and heavy piece of drilling equipment
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It's mostly prebuilt into the rig, which is then floated to wherever it needs to go to drill and has massive cranes built onto it to facilitate construction
Just how do you expect to helicopter in a crane ?
I think hes got a new lady friend so probably not available. The pan pipes aint going to work either - we would have to get someone in to teach them how to play first. Aliens arent going to play ball if they can only play Frère Jacques off the bat
@danlightbulb any other ideas??
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Dunno why you lot think its so complicated.
More pumps. Get that water away faster.
And looking at the BBC diagram the whole thing isnt flooded, and some sections are only half flooded. The only bad bits is where they have to fully submerge.
Yes the visibility will be poor but powerful lights and guide ropes means you have to just pull yourself along.
Can totally understand the kids would be terrified using scuba gear, so would I. But they dont need to learn how to use it because they can have it all strapped on them and be fully supervised by a huge team. They can rest at interval stations for food whenever the cave system partially opens up again (it isnt all flooded).
I think there is one section where the tanks cant be worn on the back, but they should all be using pumped air feeds now not individual tanks imo.
More pumps. Get that water away faster.
And looking at the BBC diagram the whole thing isnt flooded, and some sections are only half flooded. The only bad bits is where they have to fully submerge.
Yes the visibility will be poor but powerful lights and guide ropes means you have to just pull yourself along.
Can totally understand the kids would be terrified using scuba gear, so would I. But they dont need to learn how to use it because they can have it all strapped on them and be fully supervised by a huge team. They can rest at interval stations for food whenever the cave system partially opens up again (it isnt all flooded).
I think there is one section where the tanks cant be worn on the back, but they should all be using pumped air feeds now not individual tanks imo.
You've not done a scuba course then?
The first hurdle is to convince your body you can breath when under the water. Seems strightforwards paper but I've seem people struggle with this
Except Musk knows what he's talking about, has made proper valid suggestions to help, and has also sent experts and engineers from SpaceX and The Boring Company to assist with the operation. I'm fairly certain that this is more useful than the suggestions in danlightbulb's post.
This is the most entertaining sad thread ever.
There is an excellent article on that recovery here which chills my bones.
https://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
EDIT: Link above is not the one I was thinking of, this is the proper one. Maybe a 30min read.
http://dynamic.hs.fi/2014/deep/
Being trapped underground is one of my worst nightmares and probably only marginally less horrific than being left to float off into deep space. I've done a bit of very easy wreck diving in clear tropical seas and even then when you get into a enclosed area you immediately have an uncontrolled pang of mild panic. Proper cave diving? No thanks.
I think that maybe they would have to have a small team dedicated to taking one kid at a time and continue the process over days or weeks. If you have all 13 on the go at the same time someone is bound to freak out, kick up silt and start grabbing at other people's equipment. Maybe as some have said, sedating might be an idea. Dunno what the effects might be, but at least if they drown there is no suffering.
The most disturbing thing for me is that the kids seem so hopeful on the videos with their big smiling faces. They clearly don't understand the mavity of the situation, which might be a good thing for now. Unfortunately I don't see this ending well if they have to dive the kids out. There's a steep and narrow sump with 5m head of water right in the middle of the journey. Just traversing that small section is entering experienced cave diving territory.
I think the teacher will be freaking the **** out. He will understand the situation better than the kids.
There is an excellent article on that recovery here which chills my bones.
https://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
EDIT: Link above is not the one I was thinking of, this is the proper one. Maybe a 30min read.
http://dynamic.hs.fi/2014/deep/
Being trapped underground is one of my worst nightmares and probably only marginally less horrific than being left to float off into deep space. I've done a bit of very easy wreck diving in clear tropical seas and even then when you get into a enclosed area you immediately have an uncontrolled pang of mild panic. Proper cave diving? No thanks.
I think that maybe they would have to have a small team dedicated to taking one kid at a time and continue the process over days or weeks. If you have all 13 on the go at the same time someone is bound to freak out, kick up silt and start grabbing at other people's equipment. Maybe as some have said, sedating might be an idea. Dunno what the effects might be, but at least if they drown there is no suffering.
The most disturbing thing for me is that the kids seem so hopeful on the videos with their big smiling faces. They clearly don't understand the mavity of the situation, which might be a good thing for now. Unfortunately I don't see this ending well if they have to dive the kids out. There's a steep and narrow sump with 5m head of water right in the middle of the journey. Just traversing that small section is entering experienced cave diving territory.
I think the teacher will be freaking the **** out. He will understand the situation better than the kids.
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Depends - if you've got squeeze spots especially in a transition from horizontal to a chimney, etc. then only the very smallest of kids could you manipulate through there sedated.
I did a little cave diving in like the easiest possible, controlled, scenario and it was still terrifying as ****.
I did a little cave diving in like the easiest possible, controlled, scenario and it was still terrifying as ****.
Hilarious.
How are you going to fit the "huge team" into a 2ft x 2ft sump which is about 200m long of enclosed diving in pitch black?
There are places on this dive where the kid will basically be on his own with a guy front and back if he's lucky. Not all the difficulties are technical. Most divers die from bad decisions or panicking. I've panicked when doing a fun rec dive in open water at only 20m with a nice group of people for no reason other than my mind suddenly went "THIS IS NOT NORMAL. ESCAPE. ESCAPE IMMEDIATELY" It took every ounce of willpower I had to fight the screaming urge to just nope the **** out of there and shoot to the surface. I wasn't even having any problems with equipment it just happened. You cannot account for random panic, you can only do enough exposure and practice to make sure that you could cope in a bad situation. These kids don't have the opportunity for this.
To quote a US Navy SEAL, who I'm sure you will love because he is western:
Former U.S Navy SEAL Cade Courtley has cautioned there will be fatalities if the boys are forced to dive out. He said that ‘some of these kids are going to die’ if they are made to swim through the narrow dark tunnels.
Do you also go down the pub and ask why we haven't cracked fusion power yet? "Can't believe they are still faffing with it - it's so easy - it's just the oil companies suppressing the tech"
Awful, can't imagine going through something like that.
