Thai cave rescue - One of the divers has died

I suspect one of the main reasons they've held out so well is their generally optimistic and positive nature.
 
JBuk said:
There was no flooding when they entered as it was mid June so a few weeks off rainy season, it’s always easy looking at these things in hindsight and picking decisions apart
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Yep. Think I would still have been thinking "what if" as an adult entering the cave. A few weeks is nothing, the weather doesn't have a flick switch on exact start of raining season. Also bit surprised someone didn't know exactly where they were, which didn't seem to be the case? Entering a long deep cave has it's risks regardless of weather situation
Really bad situation and hope they all get out okay. Just thinking about how dark it must have been in there for all those days gives me the willies.
Some sort of unmanned single person recovery robot powered by Nvidia AI seems like something do-able in the future :D. Fully automated or semi. Actually, just read some parts are too narrow for wearing scuba tanks so probably a bit tight for anything larger than a person
 
We have to understand that Thailand isn’t as developed as us in some parts of the country, It could be that the coach is not well educated and you can’t really expect the kids to understand the hidden dangers of entering the cave

People are questioning their actions based on our own standards

In fact we have people do questionable things over here, heading up the Lake District fells in just shorts and t-shirts , ill prepared without maps or equipment without telling anyone where they’re heading or when they’ll be back is one that’s happening a lot lately - even people going up off their face on whatever drugs
 
These stories are such a great example of how wonky human thinking is. It's a story that has captured the attention and concern of the world to the point that there's probably hundreds of millions of people right now rooting for these kids and their rescuers. The death of Saman Gunan genuinely brought tears to my eyes.

But, right now, millions of people are starving, suffering, and dying in countless horrible ways without thought or comment. I guess it's the famous "the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" thing frequently misattributed to Stalin. Give us a story and we care. We can imagine the fear of the children in the cave, the long journey into the dark fleeing the rising waters. The feeling of being stranded in the cave, waiting and hoping, for days on end. The courage of the rescuers searching in the dark. The desperation and rising despair of their parents waiting for news of their children. The elation they must have felt when the diver surfaced in the cave. It's all stuff we can imagine and relate to, and it makes us care.
 
sneakysnail said:
Any updates yet?
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BBC has a live blog, this is the latest:

12:47
Rescue operation - progress update


The head of the Joint Command Centre, Narongsak Osottanakorn, has just released details about the progress of the rescue operation.

He said the operation began at 10 local time (03:00 GMT), when 13 international divers entered the cave.

He said 10 of them headed for Chamber 9 (where the boys are) and Chamber 6 (near the junction) as planned. Another three cave divers joined the operation at 14:00 local time.

There are a number of additional rescue personnel - including divers from Thailand, the US, Australia, China and Europe - stationed from Chamber 3 to the entrance.

This includes a rope system to assist over difficult terrain in Chambers 2 and 3.​
 
Chris Wilson said:
Whilst I do of course wish the kids, their coach and their brave rescuers the very best of luck I think the above is something of an exaggeration. One only ha s to look at Israel's awesome raid on Entebbe and countless other acts of heroism and ingenuity in the wars and in peacetime to put this in perspective.
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Entebbe was amazing, but I can't think of another rescue comparable to this one in peace or wartime.

I also seriously believe these Thai kids are probably far more mentally and physically durable than most equivalent age kids in the UK for example as they haven't had their formative years spent in a fug of `elf `n' safety mollycoddling and PC rubbish.

Good luck!
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Yeah, stupid 'elf 'n' safety, preventing death by electrocution! What a joke! I bet you leave exposed wiring all over your house, and regularly throw buckets of water on it, like a real man! :rolleyes:
 
Mr Jack said:
These stories are such a great example of how wonky human thinking is. It's a story that has captured the attention and concern of the world to the point that there's probably hundreds of millions of people right now rooting for these kids and their rescuers. The death of Saman Gunan genuinely brought tears to my eyes.

But, right now, millions of people are starving, suffering, and dying in countless horrible ways without thought or comment. I guess it's the famous "the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" thing frequently misattributed to Stalin. Give us a story and we care. We can imagine the fear of the children in the cave, the long journey into the dark fleeing the rising waters. The feeling of being stranded in the cave, waiting and hoping, for days on end. The courage of the rescuers searching in the dark. The desperation and rising despair of their parents waiting for news of their children. The elation they must have felt when the diver surfaced in the cave. It's all stuff we can imagine and relate to, and it makes us care.
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With all the tragedy in the world, and so much bad news every day, it's hardly surprising that people tune in for a feel good adventure story with the prospect of a happy ending.
 
Evangelion said:
With all the tragedy in the world, and so much bad news every day, it's hardly surprising that people tune in for a feel good adventure story with the prospect of a happy ending.
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No, there's nothing surprising about it. I just find the psychology of it interesting.
 
Mr Jack said:
These stories are such a great example of how wonky human thinking is. It's a story that has captured the attention and concern of the world to the point that there's probably hundreds of millions of people right now rooting for these kids and their rescuers. The death of Saman Gunan genuinely brought tears to my eyes.

But, right now, millions of people are starving, suffering, and dying in countless horrible ways without thought or comment. I guess it's the famous "the death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic" thing frequently misattributed to Stalin. Give us a story and we care. We can imagine the fear of the children in the cave, the long journey into the dark fleeing the rising waters. The feeling of being stranded in the cave, waiting and hoping, for days on end. The courage of the rescuers searching in the dark. The desperation and rising despair of their parents waiting for news of their children. The elation they must have felt when the diver surfaced in the cave. It's all stuff we can imagine and relate to, and it makes us care.
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I guess it’s partly because we have hope that they can be saved right now whereas other deaths such as in starving or war torn countries aren't so easy to avoid although people do try but it’s a long term effort, and partly because it’s an unprecedented event that it’s being covered more in the press and seeing those kids and their parents kind of brings it home, just as it does when a big famine relief event is on tv.
 
I've not been following the story very closely. But I've noticed its been rumbling on for longer than I expected.

What I don't understand is why can't the rescue people get however many oxygen cylinders in to the cave, one for each person who needs one.. teach the kids how to fit. Then get a big rope that can be thread through the cave, and have expert divers under water so the kids will be pulled through by following the rope and the divers could marshall the operation under water?
 
andicole0 said:
Probably, but how dreary would that be, especially when we would know the ending.
This great news though especially after I thought after the 1st 9 days or so they wouldn't survive!
Andi.
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Heh but like most movies based around real events that we know the ending too they try to give some background and visualisation if what actually happened (within reason)

Good luck to the other kids
 
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