He was saying ‘what’, as in did someone call me, his forum name is DP. It was a funny. And a good one.... Do try and keep up old boy.
Henry Cavill criticised for #MeToo comments
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Thanks, did you read it? I said they can get away with a lot, and there's a spectrum. I didn't say they can do what they want and there's no repercussions.
but by your rational there are no repercussions if you are far enough along this spectrum of yours?
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He's basically saying he likes the old fashioned chase, but that it's hard now because he can't determine a 'no' from a 'NO GTFO OMFG RAPE'.
If you're a celebrity then you can probably get away with what you want, girls aren't going to report you because they're going to go along with it. That's what Trump was saying in that famous clip to his mate where he said you can grab them by the *****
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Why are they going to go along with it? Because they want it or because they're afraid of speaking out? Is one of those a problem or is it all fair game as long as they don't speak out at the time regardless of their reasons?
Exactly, that's the point Roar doesn't get with his rigid fixed view point of the World. Women don't speak out against powerful men exploiting them, not because they want it (as per Trumps explanation that Roar believes) but because they feel powerless to stop it, which up to recently, they have been.
I get what he's saying even if he didn't say it very well. He's a rich and famous person he would be a prime target for shady accusations especially in this climate.
I mean I've been accused of being a rapist by a random ugly feminist in the street before, because I was helping a drunk co worker to her train.
I mean I've been accused of being a rapist by a random ugly feminist in the street before, because I was helping a drunk co worker to her train.
It depends. I guess being afraid of speaking out mostly applies to women who's careers could be ruined by certain men. Most wouldn't mind because they're attracted to high status men.
Why do I need to explicitly state that it's a problem if women are afraid to speak out after being groped, I would expect that's obvious to anyone.
i'm not asking about what trump said. I'm asking you, on this spectrum of yours there eventually comes a point where you can do what you want without repercussions?
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Or who are alone in a room with a man twice their size and afraid of the consequences, or who don't think they will be believed (shed loads of historical precedent here), or who feel too ashamed too speak out, or who fear legal reprecussions even though they've been raped, or who don't trust the legal system system (in terms of the first raft of historical me too cases that first port of call for the legal route would be the LAPD who, if you're unaware, were hardly a bastion of truth and due process during that period), or who are abused by a boss but need that job to survive (interns, office workers, this isn't just hollywood starlets).
Is your argument then that the majority of women would sleep with a man purely for status? The majority of women would welcome a slime ball like trump grinding up against them because he's a wealthy business man? Have you actually met any women? Because majority is really pushing it.
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I tried this argument when it first kicked off but there's a hardline who just don't get it. The flip side is if their wives or daughters we're to come to them and say they were raped 10 years ago but were afraid to speak out you know their victim blaming nonsense would be thrown out pretty quick.
Yeah, Dan Bilzerians Instagram is filled with Women who are scared of him. Yawn. Trump didn't get Women off the street, those Women chose to hang around with him because they want money and liked being around someone with a lot of wealth and luxuries (yachts, private planes, helicopters, etc).
Citation that most women don't mind being sexually exploited by high status men.
You've been watching too many Jordan Peterson videos
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And did all of those women subsequently accuse him of rape or abuse because if not they're probably irelevant to the argument aren't they?
Nobody is saying that there aren't women who like to screw men with power and money. What we're saying is that just because some women like that, doesn't mean all women do, and the existence of women who will enter into that arrangement willingly doesn't somehow make it impossible for abuses of power to happen where consent didn't exist. Do you understand that? To make it easy, just because your girlfriend likes it whe you grab her boobs from behind doesn't mean you should do it to your cocktail waitress. This is not a difficult concept.
Not sure what the Dan Blizerian remark is about but assuming he's been accused of inpropriety are you saying because there's no evidence on instagram it didn't happen? Are we expecting him to post pictures of victims? Seems a bit shortsighted.
Ok thanks for the lessons in morals, I haven't ever said anything was right or wrong? Neither have I groped women without consent ever. Thank you for that though. I'm not quite sure why you need to virtue signal this strongly on a forum filled with men though.
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This isn't virtue signalling, this is explaining to a person who heavily implied that the majority of women would welcome sexual approaches from men just because of power or money that he's living in some kind of fantasy land. Why is it that adopting an argument that supporta women when you're a man immediately leads to some tool spouting about virtue signalling or qhite knighting? Do you not want to live in a world where this crap doesn't happen?
You're welcome for the life lesson by the way, chances are you didn't need it, i don't imagine many on this forum have ever groped a woman, but you seem to gloss over the actions of those who clearly do need a lesson so i thought it best to provide it anyway.
Context is important, in situations where women would often reasonably welcome advances from men, high status men can get away with things that most men cannot. E.g. single girls in a night club dancing and generally "on the pull", some men can walk up to them on the dance floor and basically start kissing them with nothing more than a smile as an introduction, some men would probably get punched if they tried the same thing. Quite obviously the majority of women aren't going to be happy to be groped by a rich guy in the street. But I bet they'd give a rich guy their number where they'd flatly ignore someone else. See, context is important again.
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That's no different than saying some women will give their number to a short man with blonde hair when others wouldn't. There's a thread on here somewhere with guys stating they wouldn't date someone who earned significantly less than them. That's fine, nobody is saying that women can't chase rich guys, and if it's consensual they can do whatever they want. I still think you're implying that the majority of women would do pretty much anything for money though which is flat out nonsense. I don't know any woman who would give her nimber out just because a guy had money.
But the first part of your post lacks context (ironically) just because a woman lets a rich man do something doesn't automatically mean she wants it to happen. Go back to my previous post, you have a nice list of potential contextual backgrounds. Don't get distracted by the minority of people saying that men shouldn't be allowed to touch a woman's shoulder or smile at them, that's not the issue, the issue is men in power using that power to pressurise women or to get away with things that should have been called out but weren't due to the power imbalance.
I'm done for tonight, you probably won't change your opinion based on this, i don't really care to be honest, but ask yourself if you were in the position of some of these guys would you do the things they have done and pass it off as okay because you have money and therefore chicks dig it?
To add context in relation to the original story, Cavill is getting raliroaded for a poor choice of words. His argument is sound, he's paying the price for poor delivery. But then again he's not exactly suggesting a bout of pussy grabbing action.