MPs to debate adding Staffies to dangerous dogs list

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:23

Loves Love Island said:
complete cop out, the fact they excluded them in 97 has allowed the current situation with breeding where there isn't really a clear distinction between banned pit bulls and some dogs claimed to be "staffies" - they're all put bull type dogs and should have all been on the list from the start - if they had been then we'd have likely reduced some fatalities and serious injuries and perhaps reduced too the number of dogs kept in shelters.

So you think staffies should be banned?

dowie · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:36

robfosters said:
So you think staffies should be banned?

Yup, I don't see why not, we're not talking about some animal essential to our echo system but a dog that has come from a line that at one point bred by humans for fighting bulls and then in turn bred with terriers in order to create a muscular fighting dog. While the modern version is rather more friendly the muscular build and strong jaws still persist and there are various people out there happy to create rather more aggressive crosses. It is a pit bull type dog and it seems pointless to ban pit bulls while allowing staffies especially given the aggressive breeding some people are involved with - this is something they got wrong in 1997 IMO. The arguments against it seem to be more emotional than anything else with anecdotes about dogs people know personally that are "great with the kids etc.."

I'm not advocating that people in general should have their dogs taken away but just that they should be neutered and muzzled in public and that in general pit bull type dogs should just be allowed to go extinct in the UK. There are plenty of other dogs people can own.

XeNoN89 · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:36

While we're at it, I've only been attacked by one dog in my life and it was an English bull terrier, clearly we need to ban these too right?

dowie · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:37

XeNoN89 said:
While we're at it, I've only been attacked by one dog in my life and it was an English bull terrier, clearly we need to ban these too right?

Are you just ignoring the arguments presented and throwing in inane comments now?

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:39

XeNoN89 said:
While we're at it, I've only been attacked by one dog in my life and it was an English bull terrier, clearly we need to ban these too right?

Stats have been presented. Fancy countering them with something or do you just want to continue to post drivel?

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:41

Loves Love Island said:
Yup, I don't see why not, we're not talking about some animal essential to our echo system but a dog that has come from a line that at one point bred by humans for fighting bulls and then in turn bred with terriers in order to create a muscular fighting dog. While the modern version is rather more friendly the muscular build and strong jaws still persist and there are various people out there happy to create rather more aggressive crosses. It is a pit bull type dog and it seems pointless to ban pit bulls while allowing staffies especially given the aggressive breeding some people are involved with - this is something they got wrong in 1997 IMO. The arguments against it seem to be more emotional than anything else with anecdotes about dogs people know personally that are "great with the kids etc.."

I'm not advocating that people in general should have their dogs taken away but just that they should be neutered and muzzled in public and that in general pit bull type dogs should just be allowed to go extinct in the UK. There are plenty of other dogs people can own.

Do you think we should do the same with mastiffs?

Kenai · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:49

Personally think licenced breeding and licenced ownership would do more to solve the issue than just banning whatever breed happens to be the in fashion retards fashion statement. Ban staffies and they'll simply move onto something else. The problem is the owners not the dogs themselves. Banning the breed is treating the symptoms but not solving the problem.

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:52

Kenai said:
Personally think licenced breeding and licenced ownership would do more to solve the issue than just banning whatever breed happens to be the in fashion retards fashion statement. Ban staffies and they'll simply move onto something else. The problem is the owners not the dogs themselves. Banning the breed is treating the symptoms but not solving the problem.

But can you not see that some breeds will be more dangerous due to their physiology?

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:52

Kenai said:
Personally think licenced breeding and licenced ownership would do more to solve the issue than just banning whatever breed happens to be the in fashion retards fashion statement. Ban staffies and they'll simply move onto something else. The problem is the owners not the dogs themselves. Banning the breed is treating the symptoms but not solving the problem.

This is my view on it.

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:53

robfosters said:
This is my view on it.

Again...licences don't stop people illegally driving cars do they?

Kenai · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:54

Dis86 said:
But can you not see that some breeds will be more dangerous due to their physiology?

Yes but physiologically, plenty of dogs could do just as much damage as a staffie - gsds, mastiffs, rotties, malamutes etc. etc. etc. The only difference is they don't happen to be popular with the retard crowd at the moment.

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:55

Dis86 said:
But can you not see that some breeds will be more dangerous due to their physiology?

Of course we see that, but why does that mean we have to ban them? Proper licensing will go a long way to ensuring that the dogs are reared in a manner that will help ensure their temperaments. For starters no licences for pit bull type dogs to under 25’s would be a start.

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 22:57

Dis86 said:
Again...licences don't stop people illegally driving cars do they?

And banning staffs won’t stop dog attacks will it?

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:03

robfosters said:
And banning staffs won’t stop dog attacks will it?

It'll stop them happening by staffies which have the potential to do massive damage. Then just keep rinsing and repeating...until all we're left with are pugs. Which are too inbred to do anything except grunt.

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:04

Kenai said:
Yes but physiologically, plenty of dogs could do just as much damage as a staffie - gsds, mastiffs, rotties, malamutes etc. etc. etc. The only difference is they don't happen to be popular with the retard crowd at the moment.

And then when they are you target them too.

Kenai · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:07

Loves Love Island said:
perhaps reduced too the number of dogs kept in shelters.

Interestingly on this front both the RSPCA and the Blue Cross support ending bsl entirely, rather than extending it.

Kenai · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:07

Dis86 said:
And then when they are you target them too.

May as well just ban dogs entirely then.

robfosters · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:09

Dis86 said:
It'll stop them happening by staffies which have the potential to do massive damage. Then just keep rinsing and repeating...until all we're left with are pugs. Which are too inbred to do anything except grunt.

Pit bulls have been banned since 1991, but they are still responsible for attacks today, so that argument is flawed.

No other dogs but pugs and French bulldogs eh? Pathetic.

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:09

Kenai said:
May as well just ban dogs entirely then.

No no. Keep the inbred ones that can't breath.

Dis86 · 16 Jul 2018 at 23:10

robfosters said:
Pit bulls have been banned since 1991, but they are still responsible for attacks today, so that argument is flawed.

And so is your waffle about licences which I've repeatedly pointed out and you keep ignoring.