MPs to debate adding Staffies to dangerous dogs list

Nelly said:
Curious, does anyone have any good statistics for severe injuries caused per dog breeds over the years and also fatalities?
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fatalities for the UK posted on the first page

you can see the US lists here by year, overwhelmingly pit bulls caused the most deaths:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States

(note for the US a staffie is a type of "pit bull")

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here is a study on the subject - note the relative risk per dog:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21475022

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OBJECTIVE:
Maiming and death due to dog bites are uncommon but preventable tragedies. We postulated that patients admitted to a level I trauma center with dog bites would have severe injuries and that the gravest injuries would be those caused by pit bulls.

DESIGN:
We reviewed the medical records of patients admitted to our level I trauma center with dog bites during a 15-year period. We determined the demographic characteristics of the patients, their outcomes, and the breed and characteristics of the dogs that caused the injuries.

RESULTS:
Our Trauma and Emergency Surgery Services treated 228 patients with dog bite injuries; for 82 of those patients, the breed of dog involved was recorded (29 were injured by pit bulls). Compared with attacks by other breeds of dogs, attacks by pit bulls were associated with a higher median Injury Severity Scale score (4 vs. 1; P = 0.002), a higher risk of an admission Glasgow Coma Scale score of 8 or lower (17.2% vs. 0%; P = 0.006), higher median hospital charges ($10,500 vs. $7200; P = 0.003), and a higher risk of death (10.3% vs. 0%; P = 0.041).

CONCLUSIONS:
Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.
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here is some earlier data from 1982 - 2010

https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/dog-attack-deaths-maimings-2010.pdf

some blog found via google summarised it in chart form:

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another article:

https://www.livescience.com/27145-are-pit-bulls-dangerous.html

"One literally went for my leg and [the] other was trying to jump on top of me, but I was hitting them, and I was punching them," Janelle Manning, 24, told CBS New York at the time. "They both weren't letting go, once they got a hold of my leg." Because of her leg injuries, Manning struggled to walk up and down stairs, CBS reported. "These dogs were, like, trained to kill; trained to hurt and viciously attack people," she said.

But do pit bulls deserve their reputation as vicious "attack" dogs? An overwhelming amount of evidence suggests, in some instances, they do.

A five-year review of dog-bite injuries from the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, published in 2009 in the journal Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, found that almost 51 percent of the attacks were from pit bulls, almost 9 percent were from Rottweilers and 6 percent were from mixes of those two breeds.
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Of course people just get emotional over this stuff, because they personally have an anecdote about a dog they personally know and that dog is just plain lovely and great with the kids etc..... fact is any dog can attack. Some dogs have been abused or turned aggressive by their owners, other pit bull type dogs are perhaps just as "lovely" as the ones people seem to have anecdotes about, until they flip one day and kill a toddler etc..

Plenty of kids get bitten by dogs, it can happen with any dog, difference is when you've got a little ball of muscle with big jaws that just won't let go and will ignore its owner when it has decided to attack/has adrenaline pumping etc... there are probably a fair few families out there who at one point thought their little pit bull/staffie was just lovely and was great with the kids - until the toddler pulled its tail one too many times.
 
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Minusorange said:
I can't stand dogs, absolutely hate them so no it's not trolling I would actually support a bill to ban them entirely from the country providing we could find a suitable animal alternative to assist the disabled
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Well it’s a bloody good job you haven’t got an ounce of power, that’s all I can say.
 
Thanks Loves Love Island, makes you wonder how many were Staffordshires in that data. I wouldn't personally own any type of Bull Terrier or Rottweiler. Only had one dog and that was a Springer Spaniel crossed with a Red Setter, if I ever get another it will be a small dog, like a King Charles or a Maltese or something.
 
Nelly said:
Thanks Loves Love Island, makes you wonder how many were Staffordshires in that data. I wouldn't personally own any type of Bull Terrier or Rottweiler. Only had one dog and that was a Springer Spaniel crossed with a Red Setter, if I ever get another it will be a small dog, like a King Charles or a Maltese or something.
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In the wiki link he posted, there were 5 American Staffordshire deaths and 1 Staffordshire Bull terrier death. I stopped counting labrador deaths after it went above 20.
 
rebel rebel said:
In the wiki link he posted, there were 5 American Staffordshire deaths and 1 Staffordshire Bull terrier death. I stopped counting labrador deaths after it went above 20.
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in the wiki link I posted you have US data and they don't always differentiate between a staffie and a pit bull, a staffie death can be counted as a pit bull death

see the UK data too as you seem to be under the mistaken impression that labradors are more dangerous (or you're just being deliberately disingenuous and have seen but just ignored the stuff already posted)
 
Loves Love Island said:
in the wiki link I posted you have US data and they don't always differentiate between a staffie and a pit bull, a staffie death can be counted as a pit bull death

see the UK data too as you seem to be under the mistaken impression that labradors are more dangerous (or you're just being deliberately disingenuous and have seen but just ignored the stuff already posted)
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You cannot just presume they are UK staffs when it doesn't say they are. And the facts in the link you posted say in the US there were more labrador deaths than Staffordshire Bull Terriers. There is a big difference between an original UK staff and the American Bull types. In this country about 25 years ago people started mixing other breeds with the Staffordshire Bull terrier, they used to be no bigger than 17kg but now there are much bigger, the breeders used to call them Irish staffs to get round the laws, then long legged staffs. Now if you look on Gumtree they sell all sorts of red nose versions. None of them are true staffs or pure bred pits, we have a sort of bastardised version. I would like to see some information on dog deaths from the 80s.

I mentioned the UK deaths in a post earlier, so I don't why you say I have ignored them.
 
rebel rebel said:
You cannot just presume they are UK staffs when it doesn't say they are.
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I'm not presuming anything , I'm pointing out that staffies are included under pit bull in the US, I didn't say all pit bull deaths were staffies.

rebel rebel said:
And the facts in the link you posted say in the US there were more labrador deaths than Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
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no it doesn't you're again ignoring that what I've pointed out several times now... namely that staffies are often included under "pit bull" deaths in the US

for example from the study I posted higher up on this page:

Mortality said:
The term pit bull refers to dogs from the following breeds: American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier
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take a look at the UK stats posted on page 1 of this thread, note the staffie deaths, how many Labrador deaths do you see?

rebel rebel said:
There is a big difference between an original UK staff and the American Bull types. In this country about 25 years ago people started mixing other breeds with the Staffordshire Bull terrier, they used to be no bigger than 17kg but now there are much bigger, the breeders used to call them Irish staffs to get round the laws, then long legged staffs. Now if you look on Gumtree they sell all sorts of red nose versions. None of them are true staffs or pure bred pits, we have a sort of bastardised version. I would like to see some information on dog deaths from the 80s.
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yes I know some of these 'dogs of peace' are apparently 'not real staffies'... thing is over here we try to differentiate, they often blur the lines a bit, we outlaw "pit bulls" but there is a grey area and in other countries (such as the US) they're all classed as "pit bulls"

rebel rebel said:
I mentioned the UK deaths in a post earlier, so I don't why you say I have ignored them.
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because of what you posted re: Labrador deaths in the US and then repeated again, you're deliberately ignoring facts
 
Ok I see now, they have distinguished the 3 seperate breeds, American Pitbull Terriers, American Staffordshire Bull Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. And then they have a general grouping of Pitt Bull, for dogs that could be any of them. That's confusing, especially when breeders mate between them. It doesn't really get to the bottom of how many SBT caused deaths there are though.

I mentioned Labradors because I was genuinely surprised to see so many deaths contributed to them, because as you say it doesn't happen here in the UK. Maybe the US isn't really comparable to the UK when it comes to dog violence. I mean the dog fighting abuses in the US are out of control, only a few days ago I was reading about a NFL player (Michael Vick) who was jailed for running a dog fighting syndicate. Apparently it's a wide spread thing out there, and quite normal in gang culture. Sickening.
 
Destination said:
Yes. Yes they would.
Peta adoption centres terminate many mire animals than they adopt, adoption isn’t the goal. Marketing and pushing of a very odd agenda is.
Peta are an awful orginisation.
I am often surprised by how often celebrities appear in their campaigns.
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USA destroys hundreds of thousands of dogs every year. They have millions of strays. Most dog shelters only take in those which they think they can re-home, but Peta ones take in all dogs, hence they have many more problem dogs to deal with. Hence higher euthanasia rates.
 
It’s not the type of dog that’s inherently dangerous, it’s the owner and how they do or don’t train and control the dog.
 
cheesyboy said:
USA destroys hundreds of thousands of dogs every year. They have millions of strays. Most dog shelters only take in those which they think they can re-home, but Peta ones take in all dogs, hence they have many more problem dogs to deal with. Hence higher euthanasia rates.
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Doesn’t change the fact they slaughter 95% of animals they obtain instead of spending their vast resources to keep them.
Murder animals but not while wear their skin or fur.
 
Any chance of a simple poll on this please mods? Should pure bred Staffordshire Bull Terriers be added to the List of banned breeds under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991? YES or NO.
 
This always reminds me of someone I went to school with, always posting on facebook about how his staffie was a loving family dog etc, then one day he posted they had to put it down as it went for his kid.

They can be an incredibly dangerous dog.
 
Minusorange said:
I can't stand dogs, absolutely hate them so no it's not trolling I would actually support a bill to ban them entirely from the country providing we could find a suitable animal alternative to assist the disabled
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I don't hate dogs in general.

I do hate the excrement that they leave everywhere; all dogs should have their DNA registered on a central database and they should be put down if their excrement is left anywhere other than inside the owner's home.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are vicious, ugly, "trophy" dogs - they should certainly be banned.
 
There was a dog trainer/owner chap on her who once made a very vaild point about all dogs.
A dog with it’s owner can be trusted, one withiut it’s owner simply can’t completely.
 
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