I edited my post a bit more after you quoted it. Presumably it is legal because the reasons they have given are quite reasonable, based on factual information (in terms of their fundraising amounts) and because they are not based around prejudiced views.
Do I have to bake a cake for a gay couple?
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I edited my post a bit more after you quoted it. Presumably it is legal because the reasons they have given are quite reasonable, based on factual information (in terms of their fundraising amounts) and because they are not based around prejudiced views.
That is not true.
I wouldn't presume that, I suspect here would be some other reason for it being allowed - being nice and friendly and helping in their fundraising isn't necessarily a reason for some rule to not apply.
Well then go ahead and show me the laws which prevent businesses from choosing who they trade with. (Barring monopoly rules that is)
This should be good.
laws relating to discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexuality, disability etc..
this was your claim:
"Businesses can refuse to trade with whomever they wish and for whatever reason they have."
here are a some counter examples for you:
"Gay snub Cornish B&B owners lose Supreme Court appeal"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158
Gay cake case has come to the Supreme Court - this one is the one I disagree with as it concerned a political slogan(i.e. the product being refused rather than the customers), but if it had simply been a case of the baker choosing to simply not sell to a gay couple then they'd not have much of a a case
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43955734
travellers compensated after being refused entry to a pub:
http://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2015...om-cambridge-pub-awarded-10-500-compensation/
another case concerning travellers and a pub:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lon...er-barred-them-from-the-coronet-10258083.html
Exactly, I really hate this culture of wanting the government and police to be involved in every single dispute as though grown adults are still children and need a parent figure to sort out their problems. I don't expect an Asian/Muslim restaurant to sell me pork food but I'm not going to go running to the police complaining about it.
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and how would they know if you are gay or not?
can you imagine if this was the case? there might be some situations where all bakers would refuse to bake cake for gays? what then - and in someones quest to find a shop that accepts them (be it gender, race, religion) _ they would go to dozens of shops and be refused constantly thus lowering their esteem or would you rather shops have a big no list at the entrance of which clientele they do/dont want! are we going backwards of forwards - some comments here leave me thinking maybe we are going backwards
I'll be honest and say I was unfamiliar with those cases and think they're ridiculous.
I completely disagree that someone should be forced to do business with someone they don't want to, even if the reason is baffling to everyone else. Let capitalism sort it out.
Anyway, what stops the people not giving the true reason? It is the case that businesses can choose who they do and don't deal with. It seems publicly having a business plan that doesn't conform to political correctness is what got those companies in trouble.
Someone who doesn't disagree with making cakes for homosexuals opens a bakery and makes a ******* fortune because they're the only one providing this service.
Again, capitalism. It sorts itself out.
Nothing technically, but if you are a black man visiting a shop and get refused "for no reason" and then the shop owner proceeds to serve every white person that comes in, then you might start to have suspicions. I guess if you can then prove that you were the only one turned away "for no reason" and were the only black man then you may have a case (in terms of taking them to court for discrimination) .
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If you refused it your business would be plastered all over the news. So you wouldn't want to do that.
Not really. That is a terrible way for a community to behave. If you expand that to race as well, you just end up with certain races having to go to certain places/establishments, just to get a cake, which is horrible and absurd.
If that completley unrealistic example happened then someone would be able to clean up if they opened a shop which catered for all the refused customers.
Yes really. It's exactly how the world is even now.
The point is that the only businesses who do well are ones who are diverse in approach and don't discriminate against their customers. It sorts itself out all on its own.
There's a reason why the world isn't like you're imagining and for the last time, it's called capitalism.
Private members clubs can discriminate against anyone they want hence all male clubs.
You'll find there's more straight only than gay only though because there aren't many very old gay societies lol.
Black eagle in Manchester is a male only gay bar but I think they get around that by it being part of the eagle which is a gay bar but all can come in.
More likley its judt no woman has wanted to go into a blue oyster esque bar to find out lol
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Lol. Where to even start with this!
Imagine if Martin Luther King just sat on his ass and thought "meh capitalism will sort it out"
Except in a X-"ist" society that doesn't work.
As the minority is just that a minority they lose more business because the majority refuse to use thier shop if they serve the minority than they gain by serving the minority.
So a community can fairly quickly purge minorities by refusing the services. Owners could be happy to serve them but not survive the boycott for doing iy
How many gay people do you think there are?
Pretty much anywhere outside of a massive town a gay only establishment would fail and that's assuming many would out themselves by going in the first place