Better cooling by removing slot covers? Meshify C

Unseul said:
Right, so just bought the build, except for monitor (I'll steal the old hd TV out of my mums kitchen for testing I guess!).

Will be trying to set everything up as you've suggested, 140s blowing in, move one of the 120s to the rear, and maybe one on the bottom (where on the meshify does it actually go??). Take a few extra slots out of the bottom too for air flow.
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We want case airflow from front to back as much as possible so the heated air coming off of GPU (up, down forward and back) is moved back and out of cases without moving up and into the cool intake air going to CPU cooler. We want the bottom intake to flow cool air up into GPU along with the front to back flow from lower front intake .. and I'm not sure the bottom vent and PSU cover vents are near enough to front of case to help. You will have to experiment with bottom fan on and off to see if it helps lower GPU temps. Upper front intake is flowing to CPU. Having the PCIe slot covers removed give us additional rear vent area for the front to back airflow to leave case.

What CPU cooler are you using?
 
Just using the stock 2700x cooler, so wraith prism. It's part of the build I'll look to improve on with time. I was looking at some air coolers, and I have to admit, I'm a bit confused over the split heatsink ones, where basically one fan will be blowing hot air into the second fan/heatsink...
 
Unseul said:
Just using the stock 2700x cooler, so wraith prism. It's part of the build I'll look to improve on with time. I was looking at some air coolers, and I have to admit, I'm a bit confused over the split heatsink ones, where basically one fan will be blowing hot air into the second fan/heatsink...
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It still wouldn't be as hot as the air around the fins though, there's always a temperature delta. Especially if the air is moving fast - a bit like water in a loop. Speed and order of parts isn't so relevant because it picks up and drops heat slower than that.
 
Unseul said:
Just using the stock 2700x cooler, so wraith prism. It's part of the build I'll look to improve on with time. I was looking at some air coolers, and I have to admit, I'm a bit confused over the split heatsink ones, where basically one fan will be blowing hot air into the second fan/heatsink...
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With good case airflow supplying your Wraith Prism you will be fine with stock settings. If you want to overclock or have less noise than a new cooler would be advisable. I advise getting case airflow setup so you can use a 140mm fanned CPU cooler now. That will give you more airflow potential than you probably need, but your Prism is a downflow cooler so it needs lots of front to back airflow to get enough cool air to it's fan. If it was possible to turn the fan on the Prism over and draw air from cooler up and away it would almost definitely lower CPU temps, but I don't believe you can do that.

Single tower vs double tower does not make one better or worse than other. Many double tower coolers are very good, but there are also many very good single tower coolers that are equally as good and a couple that are a little better. Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140 Power and Le Grand Macho RT are both easily as good or better than any twin tower.

LuckyBenski said:
It still wouldn't be as hot as the air around the fins though, there's always a temperature delta. Especially if the air is moving fast - a bit like water in a loop. Speed and order of parts isn't so relevant because it picks up and drops heat slower than that.
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We need to keep in mind that with air cooling every degree warmer the air is going into an air cooler translates into about 1 degree hotter that component will be. This all means the airflow paths coming into case at room ambient over top side of GPU cooler that is dumping heated air everywhere is likely raising the air temp into CPU cooler. In many stock case fan setups the air temp into CPU cooler after 20-30 minutes of gaming can easily be 15-25c higher than room ambient .. resulting in CPU also being 15-25c hotter. With liquid cooling it's not 1:1, but unless it's a good custom loop it is still significant.
 
I'm not going to worry about overclocking just yet.

I can see that 2 heatsinks/fans can work, just seems a bit inefficient, but then I guess having one large heatsink isn't going to be any better really, and if anything will have slower airflow, meaning not as good performance.

I've seen some people on youtube have issue with larger cpu air coolers blocking off ram slots etc, so I'll perhaps ask around before committing to something.
 
Unseul said:
I'm not going to worry about overclocking just yet.

I can see that 2 heatsinks/fans can work, just seems a bit inefficient, but then I guess having one large heatsink isn't going to be any better really, and if anything will have slower airflow, meaning not as good performance.

I've seen some people on youtube have issue with larger cpu air coolers blocking off ram slots etc, so I'll perhaps ask around before committing to something.
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With case airflow setup properly the stock cooler will probably be just fine.

If that was true TRUE Spirit 140 Power and Le Grand Macho would not be rated as having more cooling ability than twin tower coolers.

If you change RAM every couple of months than it might be a problem depending on what cooler is used, but who changes RAM all the time?
 
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I was thinking more for upgrades to 4 sticks instead of 2, if the 4th slot is covered, it blocks a potential upgrade route. It's really not something I'll need to worry about for some time though!

Hoping that the next day delivery is actually next day, and it all starts arriving tomorrow! Not 100% sure where I'm putting it just yet though, ah well, it'll work out, and without the monitor it won't be too outrageous.
 
Unseul said:
I was thinking more for upgrades to 4 sticks instead of 2, if the 4th slot is covered, it blocks a potential upgrade route. It's really not something I'll need to worry about for some time though!

Hoping that the next day delivery is actually next day, and it all starts arriving tomorrow! Not 100% sure where I'm putting it just yet though, ah well, it'll work out, and without the monitor it won't be too outrageous.
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Depending on what cooler and what RAM there are many RAMs available that will fit under cooler fins and fan .. and there are also coolers that will fit behind Tall RAM. Both single towers I mentioned have fan mounted behind RAM .. and there are others too.
 
Which is why I'm going to check out with other owners of the fans/motherboards when I'm actually going to get a new cooler, no point in worrying about it now, maybe there'll be some tech breakthrough before then :D.

Thank you for all the advice and help, I'll try and post up a picture once I've got it all in and running.
 
Unseul said:
Which is why I'm going to check out with other owners of the fans/motherboards when I'm actually going to get a new cooler, no point in worrying about it now, maybe there'll be some tech breakthrough before then :D.

Thank you for all the advice and help, I'll try and post up a picture once I've got it all in and running.
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There will be no breakthroughs in cooling tech. :p
We need to be very careful when talking to others about different motherboards, RAM, coolers, CPU, GPU, cases, etc. Many make statements about how good something is without having use and gained even the faintest idea what similar components can do. I know about fans, coolers and cases, but I have only a little knowledge of all the other components. Luckily I know other people who do know about what motherboards, CPUs, RAM etc. are good .. so when go looking for those for a new system I ask them and use their knowledge. ;)
 
Would placing a piece of card, separating top 140mm from bottom, be of any use? Basically isolating the GPU to it's own section of the case, with it's own airflow. With the CPU, VRMs and ram with the upper section, benefiting from the rear and top outlets? Should prevent mixing, and keep smoother flow?
 
Unseul said:
Would placing a piece of card, separating top 140mm from bottom, be of any use? Basically isolating the GPU to it's own section of the case, with it's own airflow. With the CPU, VRMs and ram with the upper section, benefiting from the rear and top outlets? Should prevent mixing, and keep smoother flow?
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It might help. It would be easy to test and see, just use a piece of cardboard cut to fit. 1x 140mm good pressure rated intake running at least as fast as CPU cooler fan should be able to supply the air a 140mm cooler uses. I don't know/remember what GPU, but the 80/90mm fans they use flow 30cfm, maybe a little more each so you might need 140mm front intake and 120mm bottom intake. Obviously they will not be running as fast a GPU fans.

My guess is 2x 140mm front with 1x 120mm bottom and divider from midway between front and GPU back to middle of CPU cooler with front being just below bottom of upper 140mm fan is likely best setup. That way that way if it needs a little airflow lower fan will flow a little up to help. (hope that all makes sense)

Not sure if I said it, but block off all opening in front and bottom not covered by intake fans so the cool air being pushed into case by intake fans does not leak bake to their intake side.
 
Should I block off some of the top as well? I know it won't end up recycling hot air, but it'll release air flow/pressure needlessly, if it's getting out a long way before the CPU? Maybe when combined with the separation idea?
 
Please post up how it all works out. Your feedback helps others as well as giving me data that helps me know what to suggest to others. ;)
 
Bugger.

Likely due to the delay in my order getting processed down to amazon, my 140mm fans are going to be sent when they've been received by OC, wonder how long that'll be?

There were 2 in stock when I originally ordered, and I ordered both, I guess someone else snatched them inbetween.
 
Call OC and ask .. tomorrow. Too late now today. I have found some things are re-stalked quickly while others can take well over a month
 
doyll said:
Call OC and ask .. tomorrow. Too late now today. I have found some things are re-stalked quickly while others can take well over a month
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I posted on the forum, I figure for this I don't need an answer immediately in the morning, if it takes a few hours to answer that's alright. I did mention if it's too long I'd like to cancel, and if not, it's a bit frustrating since if I was waiting for stock, I'd have gone for the much cheaper bundle of 2!
 
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