Woken up last night.

hyperseven · 31 Jul 2018 at 13:31

Hank Pym could easily sort this.

dl8860 · 31 Jul 2018 at 13:45

On second sight I agree it'll need a crane. The angle of the fence shows how steep the slope is, so unless in front of the car it's much more favourable, that's going to be nearly impossible to drag out. More pics/updates pls OP.

Scrutinize · 31 Jul 2018 at 14:40

@andicole0 why are you messing around on recovery methods etc on this as there is likely to be damage to your brickwork etc? Not only that but your attempt / ideas / advice on recovery may (will) constitute transference of liability to you for further damage to the vehicle and your property.

You should be on to the owners insurance about getting it removed from your property and inspection + repair of your property.

Do not engage further on solutions for recovery etc.

On Holiday · 31 Jul 2018 at 14:51

-westy- · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:05

Gibbo said:
Connect up the cars towing eye, get some rope on it, get some one in the drivers seat, full luck and then someone in a Landrover or a tractor to very slowly pull or winch it out. Plus its dry now so it should have some grip making steering possible and the result will be the lads car out with minimal damage and not the expense/time of having to get some hardcore vehicle out which will maybe cause further damage to both car and house.

I thought this, then saw that the wheels are flush with the side of the house, you wouldn't be able to achieve full lock.

andicole0 · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:31

Scrutinize said:
@andicole0 why are you messing around on recovery methods etc on this as there is likely to be damage to your brickwork etc? Not only that but your attempt / ideas / advice on recovery may (will) constitute transference of liability to you for further damage to the vehicle and your property.

You should be on to the owners insurance about getting it removed from your property and inspection + repair of your property.

Do not engage further on solutions for recovery etc.

Its because I'm nice, the driver and his family are nice. I am an engineer and accept **** happens we can always sort things out later. We are all here to help each other if we can, why would I want to start winding people up, threatening them, suing them. This can be resolved pleasantly.
Andi.

Scrutinize · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:36

andicole0 said:
Its because I'm nice, the driver and his family are nice. I am an engineer and accept **** happens we can always sort things out later. We are all here to help each other if we can, why would I want to start winding people up, threatening them, suing them. This can be resolved pleasantly.
Andi.

You may be nice, the other party may be nice but the insurance companies won't be.

At the moment by trying to assist you are opening yourself up to liability.

Mr Jack · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:42

pastymuncher said:
And how much room did they have on the other side? Loads. A complete lack of spacial awareness.

Yes, they had plenty of room, but that's irrelevant if they don't realise the drop is there.

A "momentary error" while driving could cost your life and others too.

Yes, it could. Thankfully like everyone else you've been lucky when you had your momentary errors. Everyone makes mistakes.

mattyg · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:51

And the reason we have insurance

Concrete · 31 Jul 2018 at 15:52

Drain fluids and chop the car up. Its the only way its going to be gotten out without further damage to your property and tbh its going to be an insurance write off anyway.

Mr Jack · 31 Jul 2018 at 16:05

andicole0 said:
Its because I'm nice, the driver and his family are nice. I am an engineer and accept **** happens we can always sort things out later. We are all here to help each other if we can, why would I want to start winding people up, threatening them, suing them. This can be resolved pleasantly.
Andi.

Good for you to wanting to do things pleasantly, but I think you should still be looking to get this resolved through insurance. You can do that without things becoming unpleasant.

andicole0 · 31 Jul 2018 at 17:08

At the moment I am leaving it up to the driver and his family. I am not planning anything other than letting them leave it here for a day or two to arrange someone who believes they can get it out. Once moved we can assess any damage. No point in panicking if we don't know. I do not believe any damage has been done to the house apart from minor scratches. They have someone coming Wednesday who is a friend, works for a garage and has seen pictures but still believes it will come out.
If the car was abandoned or someone was injured of course then that would be a police matter.
Andi.

pastymuncher · 31 Jul 2018 at 19:43

Mr Jack said:
Yes, they had plenty of room, but that's irrelevant if they don't realise the drop is there.

That's what I am getting at though. As a driver you should know what is going on around you and how much space there is available to perform whatever manoeuvre you are trying to do. They had plenty of room yet never went far enough forward before reversing and then had nowhere near enough steering lock on. That's not a mistake, it's downright carelessness and should have been easily avoided if they paid more attention to their surroundings.

Hades · 31 Jul 2018 at 21:02

I would not be suggesting any method of removal and do not help remove it. If you do either then liability may fall on you for further damage to either the car or property. If it were me I would be leaving it up to the driver and his insurance to decide the most suitable recovery. I would also be calling the drivers insurance and also my own house insurance to advise them of the issue and that you expect the drivers and their insurance company to professionally remove the car and make good any damage to your house.

Mr Jack · 31 Jul 2018 at 21:19

andicole0 said:
At the moment I am leaving it up to the driver and his family. I am not planning anything other than letting them leave it here for a day or two to arrange someone who believes they can get it out. Once moved we can assess any damage. No point in panicking if we don't know. I do not believe any damage has been done to the house apart from minor scratches. They have someone coming Wednesday who is a friend, works for a garage and has seen pictures but still believes it will come out.

Very fair. Hope it works out for you.

Mr Jack · 31 Jul 2018 at 21:22

pastymuncher said:
That's what I am getting at though. As a driver you should know what is going on around you and how much space there is available to perform whatever manoeuvre you are trying to do. They had plenty of room yet never went far enough forward before reversing and then had nowhere near enough steering lock on. That's not a mistake, it's downright carelessness and should have been easily avoided if they paid more attention to their surroundings.

It was dark and wet, and they didn't see a drop. I think you're being far too judgemental about this. People make mistakes, it doesn't mean they're fundamentally bad at this. It was possible to do in the space they had, but they hadn't seen how limited their space was so made a turn suited to the space they thought they had.

People do worse things on the roads every day, but most of the time they get lucky. This guy didn't. This doesn't mean he should hang up his driving license, that's totally OTT.

Scania · 31 Jul 2018 at 21:28

andicole0 said:
At the moment I am leaving it up to the driver and his family. I am not planning anything other than letting them leave it here for a day or two to arrange someone who believes they can get it out. Once moved we can assess any damage. No point in panicking if we don't know. I do not believe any damage has been done to the house apart from minor scratches. They have someone coming Wednesday who is a friend, works for a garage and has seen pictures but still believes it will come out.
If the car was abandoned or someone was injured of course then that would be a police matter.
Andi.

Incredibly fair of you and wholly understandable.

Hades said:
I would not be suggesting any method of removal and do not help remove it. If you do either then liability may fall on you for further damage to either the car or property. If it were me I would be leaving it up to the driver and his insurance to decide the most suitable recovery. I would also be calling the drivers insurance and also my own house insurance to advise them of the issue and that you expect the drivers and their insurance company to professionally remove the car and make good any damage to your house.

But I'd pay great heed to this.

I'd hate to see somebody whos doing "the right thing" and trying their best to be fair and reasonable to end up potentially out of pocket because of it.
As Sod's law dictates, it most likely will!

BigDannyO · 1 Aug 2018 at 12:02

Hades said:
I would not be suggesting any method of removal and do not help remove it. If you do either then liability may fall on you for further damage to either the car or property. If it were me I would be leaving it up to the driver and his insurance to decide the most suitable recovery. I would also be calling the drivers insurance and also my own house insurance to advise them of the issue and that you expect the drivers and their insurance company to professionally remove the car and make good any damage to your house.

Absolutely this. Someone needs to have liability for the recovery process. Sure, everyone's being nice now, but what if during an amateur recovery the car dropped back down the gap again and smashed back in to the wall? Or worse, someone got injured. It's a legal minefield and opens you up to all sorts of litigation.

Django x2 · 1 Aug 2018 at 12:15

Seriously, there is nothing more required here than a tow rope and a good anchor vehicle like a tractor or even a Defender. 20 mins tops to have that out.

TacticalFish · 1 Aug 2018 at 16:32

Needs to be greased with butter.