New EV - Buy or lease (salary sacrifice)?

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My 2006 Civic is on its last legs, after developing a nasty rattle in 1st/2nd which has been diagnosed as a bearing in the gearbox, so looking at ~£800-1k for a reconditioned box including fitting. This along with various other niggles (suspension needs a refresh, sticking brake calipers, AC doesn't work etc.) has led me down the route of looking for a replacement.

An EV seems to make sense, vast majority of driving will be a daily 25 mile round trip to work and back, plus local driving during the week, e.g. Shopping etc and probably 3-4 times a year a long motorway trip, I've worked out it would "save" me ~£180/month in fuel/tax/insurance. I have driveway parking, so no issues with charging.

So the options I've been looking at are a Zoe or Leaf. The Zoe would be HP or a loan over 5 years, the Leaf would be a 48 month lease through work's salary sacrifice scheme (it's out of budget otherwise).

Cost wise, the Leaf lease would be ~£50-60/month more than the Zoe, however there's no deposit required, so I'd have maybe £1k cash from selling my car which would cover just under half the difference over the term.

Sensible head says the Zoe, since it is cheaper and I would own it at the end, however the Leaf does appear to be the better car, plus the idea of a single payment and hassle free "ownership" does appeal! (all servicing, tyres etc is included).

I guess the other thing to consider is with EV tech still in early stages, do I want to keep the car for 5 years and have the responsibility of ownership, or would it be better to have the ability to just give it back?

I have considered used, looked at a really nice 2016 Leaf the other day, but came to the conclusion that the ~80 mile range was just too low to be practical, so it would need to be a new model.

The cheapest option would obviously be to repair the civic, but how long do I keep throwing money at it before enough is enough?

I've considered a hybrid, but I don't think the cost savings would be enough to make it worthwhile?

I could also spend a couple of £k on another 10 year old car, keep it for 2 years and repeat, but tbh it would be nice for a change to have something decent that's going to last and not have the constant worry of it throwing up a huge bill out of nowhere! I figure with the cost saving in fuel, tax etc. £150-200/month is a bargain for a brand new car

In this situation would you buy the Zoe or lease the Leaf, anything I haven't yet considered?
 
I wouldn't buy outright at the moment, the current Leaf has only been out a few months but is due another increase in battery size next year.

Of the two I'd go for the Leaf, but then I would say that as I'm on my second Leaf Tekna all be it the previous shape.
 
Of the two the Leaf is the better car but it is more expensive nor will you own the car at the end. The Zoe will also not suffer from Rapid gate but it only has 3 phase AC charging 'rapid charging', I'm not sure how many of those there are around in case you need to go further afield. Check Zap Map.

The problem with the Zoe and the Leaf is that they are in this weird space, they are not a 'first gen' EV but likewise they are not really 'next gen' either. I really see them both as the last of the 'first gen' EV's. They are a bit expensive but in the long term I am sure they will not go below a fairly high floor value and I think this will be far higher than current ICE cars because the battery pack is so valuable (even well used). Leasing would be far less risky but of course it is more expensive.

The biggest issue for the Leaf and Zoe is the batch of EV's just round the corner will be cheaper* and have bigger battery packs. Kona, Niro, 60KWh Leaf, Model 3 et al will make the current Leaf and Zoe feel very dated very quickly.

Have you looked at the Kona at all? Its out now and you can get the 39kw version with a few month lead time and its about the same price as the Leaf. It's interior isn't quite as good but it simply shows up the Leaf in terms of range and it has a proper thermal management solution for the battery. The 64kw version is good for 300 miles and isn't that much more money.

*bigger battery for the same price or closer in price to their ICE equivalent.
 
I know looks aren't everything but I couldn't live with a Kona, it's hideous :/

Been looking at the Leaf Acenta, has all the toys I want but still under budget, anything I'm particularly missing compared to the Tekna?
 
I'm not sure about the current model but on the previous it was
Bose audio
Birds eye view camera
Heated steering wheel
Heated rear seats
Leather seats
 
The big feature no one as mentioned is Pro Pilot.

In addition to the Acenta the N-connecta has:
Heated part leather seats,
Heated steering wheel,
360 camera for parking etc.,
electric folding mirrors,
17" alloys

Tekna has the above plus:
Bose sound,
Full LED headlights
Better heated front and rear seats
Pro Pilot (traffic aware cruise + auto steer, not close to being as comprehensive as Tesla's system but still considered good)

Heated seats can help with the energy consumption in the winter.

For me the N-Connecta is the sweet spot and Tekna is well worth it if you want Pro Pilot.
 
I'm not sure about the current model but on the previous it was
Bose audio
Birds eye view camera
Heated steering wheel
Heated rear seats
Leather seats

Hmm, so a few nice to haves... , it's an extra £40/month vs the Acenta... More choices is not what I need, thanks guys :p
 
Leaf is prob the better option at this stage although as mentioned above, wont be long before it gets an upgrade on some things like battery so may be worth holding out
 
Have you considered the hyundai ioniq electric? Probably come in cheaper than the leaf, and doesn't have the rapid charging problems.
 
The Premium Ioniq is bang in the middle of the Acenta and Tekna, the Premium SE is within a couple of £ of the Tekna, which is the better car? As I understand it, the Ioniq is more efficient but shorter range? But as you say doesn't suffer from the rapid charging issues of the leaf
 
Bit of man maths going on here. If you're taking out a loan on Car A, or a lease on Car B, the difference in price isn't the monthly payments.

Over the four year term of the lease, the Leaf is costing £2,400 more. At the end of the four year term on the lease, the Leaf goes back. The Zoe would still be worth £8k (±£2k). So more like a £10k difference between the two cars?

Is the Zoe you're referring to the battery-owned, rapid charge model? If so, I would go with that without hesitation. I had one for two years and got on well with it. Sure, it's a fairly small car, and it doesn't have some of the toys the Leaf has. But it's a lot cheaper. It doesn't have the same rapid charging problems as the Leaf. And, unlike the Leaf lease, it's easy to just sell the car on if you want/need something else within the next four years.

Do you need the car soon? What lead times are you being quoted? Last I checked, the Zoe and Leaf were 4-6 months, and the Ioniq was 6-9 months.

The other car worth considering is this:

https://www.drive-electric.co.uk/vehicles/kia-soul-ev-lease/

A relative bargain at £199/month, but if you won't consider the Kona due to looks then I guess the Soul has no chance :p
 
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The Premium Ioniq is bang in the middle of the Acenta and Tekna, the Premium SE is within a couple of £ of the Tekna, which is the better car? As I understand it, the Ioniq is more efficient but shorter range? But as you say doesn't suffer from the rapid charging issues of the leaf

I've not driven the bev, I have the hybrid (nowhere to charge a bev sadly) , but I'm very happy with mine, reviews are good from motoring magazines and so on. Also has adaptive cruise, Lane keep assist etc on the premium, not just the top of the range.

If the op is considering a leaf, it is definitely one to at least check out.

There are ioniq bevs available in the dealer network if you aren't fussy about colour etc, but factory order times aren't short.
 
Bit of man maths going on here. If you're taking out a loan on Car A, or a lease on Car B, the difference in price isn't the monthly payments.

Over the four year term of the lease, the Leaf is costing £2,400 more. At the end of the four year term on the lease, the Leaf goes back. The Zoe would still be worth £8k (±£2k). So more like a £10k difference between the two cars?

Is the Zoe you're referring to the battery-owned, rapid charge model? If so, I would go with that without hesitation. I had one for two years and got on well with it. Sure, it's a fairly small car, and it doesn't have some of the toys the Leaf has. But it's a lot cheaper. It doesn't have the same rapid charging problems as the Leaf. And, unlike the Leaf lease, it's easy to just sell the car on if you want/need something else within the next four years.

I know, I realise the Zoe is the cheaper option (although I'd be skeptical of it being worth £8k in 4-5 years with 60k+ miles given I could get 2017 one with less than 10k miles for £12k, albeit a battery lease version - the battery owned haven't been out long enough to get an idea - but the tech is relatively new, and improving relatively quickly that I can't see it holding the value that well, hence considering leasing (although assuming I got on with it then I wouldn't be averse to keeping it longer which would obviously make that more of a moot point)).

Ideally I'd be looking ASAP, our work supplier is checking with their dealer network to see what they have in stock, and I'm popping into the Renault dealer to test drive the Zoe and will enquire about availability then.

My car isn't going to break down imminently, but at the same time it's not going to last forever, and obviously it will be losing trade in value as time goes on, especially if it dies!

Sounds like I need to arrange a test drive of an Ioniq as well
 
The battery-owned variant has been out for three years now. I'm not sure about current value, as there's currently none on Autotrader (there's four that I can find, but they're mistakes; check the reg and they're battery lease cars), but when I was looking to buy one in November, the going rate was £10k for the 24kWh car.

£8k could be on the optimistic side, but I doubt it's a long way out. Even if it's only worth £6k, that still puts the difference between the Leaf and the Zoe at £8400, or the equivalent of £175/month. That's a huge difference considering they aren't all that dissimilar.
 
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EVs really aren't cost effective if your buying new. They are really expensive for not a whole lot of car and depreciate like crazy.

It doesn't come close to offsetting the cost of buying a good, used petrol/diesel.
 
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