Tractor on fast roads

shauncr91 said:
If you don't like it stop buying farm produce.
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Aren't the tractors pointless though? Produce comes from a supermarket not a farm!

Sadly I think there is people out there that genuinely believe that. If I see a tractor in front of me it's a bit of an annoyance, but they usually pull over and let people past and when you look at the extra time it takes following one it is such an insignificant amount of time, I'd say there are often dangerous overtakes of tractors but most of the time it's motorist v motorist with the dangerous/stupid overtake.
 
I do wonder sometimes if they really NEED to be out during normal rush hour.
I know they have their job to do and I appreciate what farmers do, which seems to often be a thankless task.
That said they are not quite as tied down to specific hours to be places are they?
Even a half hour later would often help.

What I find more annoying is when tractors or JCBs etc refuse to pull over to let traffic past, even when there are safe places to pull in.
I believe this is even in contravention of the Highway Code.
The ones that do I always give a flash and a wave as a thank you as they are obviously more aware of traffic around them.
 
Some absolutely stupid overtakes in that video. I live just up the road from Turney Group and it's on my daily commute and with a lot of farms around I see a lot of tractors. I just plan for it and expect to see farm equipment about the place, the same applies for cyclists - yes the road may be a twisty sometimes narrow country road but people seem incapable of waiting until they can see a clear path past the tractor/cyclist. If I don't get stuck behind a tractor and get to work early then I'll have a 2nd breakfast so it's probably best when I do get stuck behind one!
 
Jamauk said:
Aren't the tractors pointless though? Produce comes from a supermarket not a farm!/QUOTE]
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Yes I would say that this tractor delivering hay for livestock is utterly pointless given meat comes from a supermarket not a god damn farm.

ajf said:
I do wonder sometimes if they really NEED to be out during normal rush hour.
I know they have their job to do and I appreciate what farmers do, which seems to often be a thankless task.
That said they are not quite as tied down to specific hours to be places are they?
Even a half hour later would often help.
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You could also leave a bit earlier and be a bit more patient.
 
ajf said:
That said they are not quite as tied down to specific hours to be places are they? if the have a team of pickers / packers waiting in the field for the equipment the tractor is towing they are

Even a half hour later would often help.

What I find more annoying is when tractors or JCBs etc refuse to pull over to let traffic past, even when there are safe places to pull in.
I believe this is even in contravention of the Highway Code.
The ones that do I always give a flash and a wave as a thank you as they are obviously more aware of traffic around them.
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shauncr91 said:
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Mind, Most of those dangerous overtakes are only dangerous because the people coming the other way are jerks.

If I see a tractor coming the other way I expect that somebody will be trying to pass it and slow down accordingly. If somebody is actually passing. I slow down even more (Or even stop if necessary) to give them space and time to do so safely.

What I do not do is carry on regardless flashing my lights because "My right of way" which is what most people seem to do. :(

As I always say. "All accidents are 50/50"
 
What?

Overtaking is an at-risk manoeuvre and you shouldn't be doing it if there isn't space and if there is oncoming traffic. Any accidents in those clips would entirely be the fault of the overtaking vehicle not the one driving correctly in their lane.
 
too many people have a "i need to be in front of you" attitude and pull off the most ridiculous manoeuvres to get there

and as far as the speed the tractors are going, it's a speed limit not a target.
 
Orionaut said:
Mind, Most of those dangerous overtakes are only dangerous because the people coming the other way are jerks.
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Absolutely clueless. They are overtaking on bends etc, no way the other cars are at fault. You should never overtake if its not safe to do so, and you certainly should never overtake and just expect the oncoming traffic to slow down and allow you to pass. Thats absolute madness.
 
Tractors may be able to do 40mph with a heavy load behind. However the trailer may not be so accommodating. There is no 5th wheel attachment, usually just a shackle pin linkage. No air assisted trailer braking, or rarely.

I am with the 'drive by what is in front of you' viewpoint. It is easier to overtake a tractor trailer travelling at 20-25mph on a single carriageway road than one doing 40mph anyway.

The main hazard is usually the *** behind you in the Audi / BMW who wants to overtake you and the tractor trailer without due consideration or because you have left a gap to see ahead, just nips in front of you and then is left unsighted
 
Semple said:
I'm not sure that's quite accurate.

How do you explain the odds of someone crashing into a parked car at a supermarket (assuming the parked car is well within its bay). That's certainly not a 50/50.
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Perhaps to please the pendents, "All accidents are 50/50 unless you can make a very good case for it not being so" :p

After all, it is certainly what the insocos reckon Hence higher premiums for "Non-Fault" accident claims.

200sols said:
Absolutely clueless. They are overtaking on bends etc, no way the other cars are at fault. You should never overtake if its not safe to do so, and you certainly should never overtake and just expect the oncoming traffic to slow down and allow you to pass. Thats absolute madness.
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Consider a left hand bend with high hedges.

If I approach and a tractor starts to come into view coming the other way. I slow down in anticipation of somebody making a hazardous overtake.

If I then see somebody actually doing so I stop if necessary.

What I dont do is what most of the oncoming drivers in that clip do and just carry on at speed flashing my lights because that will make everything alright :rolleyes:

InvaderGIR said:
What?

Overtaking is an at-risk manoeuvre and you shouldn't be doing it if there isn't space and if there is oncoming traffic. Any accidents in those clips would entirely be the fault of the overtaking vehicle not the one driving correctly in their lane.
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Sure, But anybody who willingly chooses not to mitigate somebody eleses error by slowing down/stopping to make the situation safe is a jerk.

You are just a s Dead if you are in the right as if you were in the wrong.



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Orionaut said:
Sure, But anybody who willingly chooses not to mitigate somebody eleses error by slowing down/stopping to make the situation safe is a jerk.

You are just a s Dead if you are in the right as if you were in the wrong.
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It isn't an 'error' it's people being impatient and performing (often illegal) at risk manoeuvres and forcing their idiocy on others causing them to stop in their lane, however the idiots should be the ones giving way to the people driving correctly.
 
Lol all accidents are 50/50...????
Righto. so i nearly hit an old bugger once when he was going the wrong way round a large roundabout, with no visibility to the other side.
So if i had head on ******* this berk i would be partially to blame? maybe because i was ... i dunno ... on the road at the time lol.
 
Finglonga said:
Again it is down to drivers not paying attention to the road ahead and driving so close to the vehicle in front they can't see the road ahead.
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That's the main problem for me. People driving right up each others' derrieres and it only seems to get worse.

Crashes on the M40 / M42 are now basically a daily occurrence, and it's easy to see why.
 
InvaderGIR said:
It isn't an 'error' it's people being impatient and performing (often illegal) at risk manoeuvres and forcing their idiocy on others causing them to stop in their lane, however the idiots should be the ones giving way to the people driving correctly.
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None of which detracts from the fact that the ONLY correct response to seeing somebody coming towards you on your side of the road is to slow/stop.

Just carrying on regardless , flashing your lights, in the belief that you magic shield of self righteousness will protect you from any consequences of a head on collision is insane.

And yet, I see people doing this all the time. Both on youtube clips like this one and in real life...

sideways14a said:
Lol all accidents are 50/50...????
Righto. so i nearly hit an old bugger once when he was going the wrong way round a large roundabout, with no visibility to the other side.
So if i had head on ******* this berk i would be partially to blame? maybe because i was ... i dunno ... on the road at the time lol.
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If you were traveling at such a speed that you would have been unable to stop before he hit you, then yes, you would be partially to blame in my analysis.

You need to travel at a speed that allows at least 4 seconds to the "Vanishing Point", less time than this, and you are traveling too fast for the conditions.

Not being able to see where you are going is not an excuse for hitting something that you didn't see.
 
Janesy B said:
You could also leave a bit earlier and be a bit more patient.
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I don't think I mentioned being impatient. I do generally just sit back and accept it and never try and overtake unsafely, but can anyone honestly say they enjoy being stuck doing 25mph behind a tractor?
Several posts suggest about everyone working with each other on roads, so simply mentioned it would help by drivers of slow vehicles thinking a bit more about how and when they are on the road, if possible.
 
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