Caporegime
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Fair enough.
New EV - Buy or lease (salary sacrifice)?
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I agree and the efficiency is so high compared to almost everything else. Over 300 miles from 64kw (usable) is great and a 'slow' 50Kw charger will still give you a charge rate of over 200 miles/hour. Once the more powerful CCS chargers are out there it will charge at over 280 miles/hour.
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Sorry I don't understand the above. You say you put up with it because it's cheap then quote a higher monthly cost. Are the two numbers not comparable?
Sorry, badly worded. The numbers aren't directly comparable, no. The first is the fairly static running cost of an efficient petrol car, based on my annual mileage. The second is the combined running and purchase cost of the Leaf. The running costs are about £20/month. The loan interest (included) is about £16/month. So any depreciation below £134/month would effectively reduce the cost of the Leaf further below £170/month.
To have the same overall outlay, I would have <£50/month to spend on a petrol car. That kind of money doesn't go very far.
To have the same overall outlay, I would have <£50/month to spend on a petrol car. That kind of money doesn't go very far.
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*sigh*, that pricing was incorrect again!
Confirmed cost is £340 for the Acenta, £380 for the Tekna, and that's over 4 years/60k, so basically back to the original pricing mentioned in the OP!
Edging towards purchasing the Zoe again, but can't help the nagging feeling I'll spend the next 5 years wishing it was a Leaf
Confirmed cost is £340 for the Acenta, £380 for the Tekna, and that's over 4 years/60k, so basically back to the original pricing mentioned in the OP!
Edging towards purchasing the Zoe again, but can't help the nagging feeling I'll spend the next 5 years wishing it was a Leaf
The Leaf is quite a bit bigger than the Zoe. It's even bigger than a Focus, whereas the Zoe is more Fiesta sized.Edging towards purchasing the Zoe again, but can't help the nagging feeling I'll spend the next 5 years wishing it was a Leaf
It would be ideal for that, it's the 150-200 mile motorway trips a few times a year with an impatient 6 year old and girlfriend taking twice as long which would be the problem!
Edit: one of the other trips we do quite frequently is Alton towers, which is 100 mile round trip, instead of doing it in an hour each way, we'd have to stop and charge at least once, we'd rather spend an hour extra in the park than twiddling our thumbs at a motorway services
A PHEV wouldn't offer near the same savings as a pure EV, so I'd be looking at something with 80k+ miles, and even then, the only things in budget appear to be the Ampera or Outlander, if I was looking for something old and high mileage I'd be just as well repairing the Civic
Edit: one of the other trips we do quite frequently is Alton towers, which is 100 mile round trip, instead of doing it in an hour each way, we'd have to stop and charge at least once, we'd rather spend an hour extra in the park than twiddling our thumbs at a motorway services
A PHEV wouldn't offer near the same savings as a pure EV, so I'd be looking at something with 80k+ miles, and even then, the only things in budget appear to be the Ampera or Outlander, if I was looking for something old and high mileage I'd be just as well repairing the Civic
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It doesn't work like that, unless you can guarantee a plug in charger when you reach Alton Towers. And looking at this you can't - you'll still be charging on the motorway anyway. Probably on the way there (before you really need to - but to ensure you can reach the charger on the return leg) and then again on the way back. You'll find the very few resorts in the UK are set up for EV charging yet. Ridiculous considering their size and revenue.It would be ideal for that, it's the 150-200 mile motorway trips a few times a year with an impatient 6 year old and girlfriend taking twice as long which would be the problem!
Edit: one of the other trips we do quite frequently is Alton towers, which is 100 mile round trip, instead of doing it in an hour each way, we'd have to stop and charge at least once, we'd rather spend an hour extra in the park than twiddling our thumbs at a motorway services
If you're worried about range - you can get a 40k Zoe for decent money as well.
Also, consider these range estimates are not based on doing 75 on the motorway. If you want to do that, you can take at least 30% of the estimated range.
That's why the old Leaf is out of the question, we'd have to charge either just before we get there or just after we leave, or half way on both journeys, depending where the chargers were. With the new model, if the various "real world" ranges I've found across the Internet are accurate (120-150 depending on weather & driving style), then that means it's doable on a single charge (albeit without much margin for error!)
20-50 miles is an absolutely huge margin for error. You need to stop thinking in terms of a petrol car range. That’s 20%-50% of it’s entire range as a buffer. I drive a current gen i3 with just under 30kwh of battery capacity and have arrived home with 3miles left before and I wasn’t sweating. You can drive to the conditions, if the car thinks there’s 5miles remaining and that’s the length to complete your journey just slow down slightly and it’ll give you a buffer.
On a 100mile journey in a current gen car you would need to decide whether to drive at 65-70mph to achieve it without charging or plan for a 10min charge in either direction which would give you 25-30miles of extra range. There’s no way you would need to stop in both directions unless it’s one of the very first gen cars.
I wouldn’t get the current Leaf, not only does it have the charging speed problems there’s no data yet on whether the high temperatures are having a big impact on battery health/longevity. This is the last car from their in house battery supplier.
I guess I'm more thinking in mobile phone terms, that last 10% battery seems to disappear in no time!
Not even on a lease?
Not even on a lease?
I guess I'm more thinking in mobile phone terms, that last 10% battery seems to disappear in no time!
Not even on a lease?
Personally, no. There’s no way the battery isn’t going to degrade in a 3-4year term without any active cooling. In my opinion.
I’m quite a high mileage EV driver. I’ve driven my i3 (battery only) 650 miles to Munich and back without any issues. The only reason that was possible was because it charges fast, all the time in any conditions. If the battery is too cold it heats it up, too hot it cools it down with the aircon compressor. Charging speed is very important especially as the infrastructure gets better. Having it unpredictably throttle would be extremely frustrating.
Took another test drive in the Zoe, after the new Leaf, to compare. Decided to bite the bullet and go with it. Its not quite as nice as the Leaf to drive, but it's close enough, and as pointed out above, it means after 5 years I'll have something to show for the money (although I still think being worth £8k is a massive overestimate!). Size wise it's more than adequate for us, and the increased range is always nice 
Took another test drive in the Zoe, after the new Leaf, to compare. Decided to bite the bullet and go with it. Its not quite as nice as the Leaf to drive, but it's close enough, and as pointed out above, it means after 5 years I'll have something to show for the money (although I still think being worth £8k is a massive overestimate!). Size wise it's more than adequate for us, and the increased range is always nice
£8k might be an overestimate but I don't see them dropping below a pretty high floor price compared to the equivalent ICE due to how much the cells will be worth outside the car, even well used ones.
Haha, I wish! It is that one over 5 years on HP, but it's costing ~£22k including metallic paint, bose stereo, heated seats and reversing camera.
The £8k was from a poster above on how much it would be worth after the 5 years
The £8k was from a poster above on how much it would be worth after the 5 years