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Yet do we complain?
Boris and the burka
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It's quite important. If the definition includes "a dislike of Islam" (which it currently does) and there's a push to get Islamophobia classed under racism laws, then people will end up being prosecuted for simply disliking Islamic ideology.
I care about that.
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If Islamophobia truly is accepted as being racist in the same way as maliciously discriminating against people purely due to their skin colour, then we are all ******. It means you aren't allowed to hold a negative opinion about an ideology. That would be a very bad thing.
I believe personally that Islamophobia is not racism. I believe that it is the fear of the idea and values behind Islam. Its completely irrational to be but then again... most phobias are. The fear of Spiders for example...... is that rational? No it isnt but people are fearful regardless.
Arachnophobia is not being a racist to Spiders is it?
Arachnophobia is not being a racist to Spiders is it?
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A local MP said this utter non sense....
He said: “People have called for him to resign, an that is the right thing for him to do as a person of his standing. Calling people things like that, I think it is degrading and it is insulting to our religion.
“This is about any religion, you can’t insult religion. We are living in a free thinking country where everyone can wear what they want.
Guess what party he represents? He'll be getting an email from me this evening.
He said: “People have called for him to resign, an that is the right thing for him to do as a person of his standing. Calling people things like that, I think it is degrading and it is insulting to our religion.
“This is about any religion, you can’t insult religion. We are living in a free thinking country where everyone can wear what they want.
Guess what party he represents? He'll be getting an email from me this evening.
Well yes, yes people did actually. Quite a lot.
As mentioned above, Life of Brian is still banned from some places as far as I'm aware.
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Ok, but I find the complaining about it ridiculous, and I imagine the vast majority of people took it for what it was, just a very funny film. If it was released today, I doubt much would be said at all. But can you imagine if a film was released ridiculing Islam and Mohammed. Good lord, it would be carnage. Most likely terrorist attacks in retaliation.
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Life of Brian doesn't actually ridicule Jesus/God - The whole premise of the movie is that Brian is mistaken for the Messiah by idiots.
It's satire on Blind faith and organised religion in general.
Four Lions takes the **** out of Suicide bombers, not the religion itself and that was pretty funny. "Rubber Dingy Rapids bro"
It's satire on Blind faith and organised religion in general.
Four Lions takes the **** out of Suicide bombers, not the religion itself and that was pretty funny. "Rubber Dingy Rapids bro"
Depends what the content was and how it was presented I guess. As for the 'vast majority' taking Monty Python for what it was, it still received widespread censorship, even the BBC and ITV refused to show it initially.
Four Lions was a comedic send-up of the failures and inadequacies of a group of Muslim terrorists and I didn't see any attacks in retaliation for that.
Though if it was a direct 'attack' on Mohammed it may well receive more fanatical attention these days, again it would depend on the context of the film.
As above, Four Lions did just that, it ridiculed Islamic terrorism.
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It really singled out Christianity for ridicule though didn’t it. I doubt you could make a movie today that would ridicule Islam.
I think it was Eric Idle who said something like, they tried to ridicule Jesus but realised he was actually an all round great bloke and they couldn't come up with many jokes to take the mick out of him. So they went down the path of ridiculing the way followers of organised religion work. Which it turns out can be ridiculed endlessly.
I remember there was a film produced in the US mocking Islam and Muhammad and there were riots all over the place in the middle east. It was soon after that Muhammad drawing competition took place in Texas, and the event actually had 2 actor shooters attacking it.
Ok I found a wiki page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims
Ok I found a wiki page about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence_of_Muslims
But his comment was not meant as a joke or said in a manner to entertain .
It was said in a discriminatory manner meant to belittle and ridicule.
From a public figure it is not acceptable. I myself used to call niqabis ninjas and sometimes still do but again it is context and nor am I in a position of power.
Bit of a difference between a light hearted comedic film and a specifically designed anti-islamic short production.
What are you on about?
'Islam isn't a race, but islamophobia is?'
What 'academic experts' are people ignoring?
If Islam can be considered a group for the purposes of 'racism' the so can 'Christians' and 'Tory party members' as these are also examples of groups with their own ideologies whoose members are not exclusively from one ethnic group (but whoose members may, in the main, be from one or a few ethnic groups).
The 'islamophobia' /critisim of Islam and its associated cultural practices = racism trope has to to one of the most ridiculous, stupid things to come out of the identitarian school of politics (out of a field of strong contenders)
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I believe many are missing the political element behind those MP's and media people who have berated Johnson over what was, in truth, a bit of light hearted banter in his description of Burka wearers. The political element is those who are wildly desperate to stop Johnson succeeding May as Prime Minister, and then ensuring the UK leaves the EU fully and in a timely manner, as voted for in the referendum. Johnson, for whatever reason, appears to be their worst fear (I personally dislike him, based on no more than what I see and read via the media and would much prefer Jacob Rees-Mogg as PM), and they are hell bent on doing whatever they can, fair or foul, to stop his ascension. They may well have shot themselves in the foot again though, as "the quiet citizens" are seeing him very favourably over this.