That's a really good point but surely the titans price puts it in a different league? Or maybe it priced like that to help sell x80ti's
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Its not GTX, its RTX 2080, nVidia Turing Raytracing card.
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Every release people pipe up and say ‘there will be no ti’. And every time they’re wrong.
The *80ti and the Titan are the only logical upgrade paths for owners of the ti/Titan from the previous generation. They represent a small percentage of sales, but huge profit. As someone else said, there’s plenty of people who can justify the expense of the ti, and not the Titan (myself included).
If there was no ti in the next gen, I and others would just buy a second hand 1080ti instead. There will be a ti.
Also, whilst I very much enjoy reading the latest rumours, and I do like AdoredTVs videos, this is just another rumour. Perhaps from Nvidia themselves.
It makes sense for the next gen to be very powerful, and it makes sense that NV try to downplay that power before release, in case AMD has something to their sleeve. If NVidia can get this one right they could create such an enormous lead that AMD will be dead in the water.
Nvidia aren’t stupid enough to watch Intel get caught with their pants down, and then go right ahead and do the same. AMD has higher share prices, more investment and more power, and when they do properly turn their attention to the GPU market, you can bet your bum hole they’ll do their best to disrupt NV’s market share. So why release a sub-par lineup when you can extend your lead and charge top dollar for it?
Sure they’ll keep something back; they’re bound to have a contingency plan. But I honestly believe this rumour is inaccurate and we’ll see a 1180/2080 with 15-ish% performance more than the old ti, at an eye watering price. When all the old 1080ti stock is shifted, they’ll cut the prices. And a year after launch they’ll release the ti, cut the price of the *80 again, and clean up.
That’s my crystal ball prediction.
The *80ti and the Titan are the only logical upgrade paths for owners of the ti/Titan from the previous generation. They represent a small percentage of sales, but huge profit. As someone else said, there’s plenty of people who can justify the expense of the ti, and not the Titan (myself included).
If there was no ti in the next gen, I and others would just buy a second hand 1080ti instead. There will be a ti.
Also, whilst I very much enjoy reading the latest rumours, and I do like AdoredTVs videos, this is just another rumour. Perhaps from Nvidia themselves.
It makes sense for the next gen to be very powerful, and it makes sense that NV try to downplay that power before release, in case AMD has something to their sleeve. If NVidia can get this one right they could create such an enormous lead that AMD will be dead in the water.
Nvidia aren’t stupid enough to watch Intel get caught with their pants down, and then go right ahead and do the same. AMD has higher share prices, more investment and more power, and when they do properly turn their attention to the GPU market, you can bet your bum hole they’ll do their best to disrupt NV’s market share. So why release a sub-par lineup when you can extend your lead and charge top dollar for it?
Sure they’ll keep something back; they’re bound to have a contingency plan. But I honestly believe this rumour is inaccurate and we’ll see a 1180/2080 with 15-ish% performance more than the old ti, at an eye watering price. When all the old 1080ti stock is shifted, they’ll cut the prices. And a year after launch they’ll release the ti, cut the price of the *80 again, and clean up.
That’s my crystal ball prediction.
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There will more than likely be a ti but it will most likely come way quicker this time around or at least i think it will. If it comes the usual 9 months later it's coming when we should be expecting 7nm cards to arrive as the 7nm process appears to be coming along nicely. Nvidia don't have any pressure on them so they might delay 7nm even though it should be ready sometime next year.
Why do you think it’ll be released earlier mate, because AMD will release 7nm cards, or Nvidia themselves will?
Imo an extremely powerful ti release (and I do think it will be extremely powerful, with prices to reflect) would be perfect for taking the wind out of AMD’s sales prior to launching their own
new cards. A subsequent price drop could take care of any concerns regarding comparative performance; the margins are so obscene I doubt it would be a problem.
There’s no reason for NV to release the ti and cut the prices of lower tier cards early, unless competition forces their hand or sales diminish earlier than expected. Likewise for the generation after. 7nm might be ready, but that doesn’t mean they’ll release it.
Are we even sure that the next gen won’t be 7nm? I’ve not seen difinitive proof either way.
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AMD are rumoured to be releasing the new Vega around the end of the year although probably not for gaming but should compete well with Nvidia's current 16nm/12nm cards in the business sector. I doubt Nvidia will hang fire on releasing there next 7nm gen to long as AMD will have an advantage over them until they do release. Navi is not until next year sometime and nobody knows what that will do although the rumours suggest the initial release is not a high end chip. Still i think Nvidia will want to be on 7nm at least by the middle of next year. If the ti releases say April then better performing 7nm cards will give a ti variant a very short life span. Tbh though it's mainly all in Nvidia's hands so it's just why i think a ti variant may come sooner this gen.
There is also speculation that the 1180/2080 is a cut down part and the ti will be the full part so they may already be stocking ti chips.
I wouldn't be surprised at cutting down chips, it wouldn't be the first time. I'm trying to work out your reasoning... For us, and for the 11 series in general I'm going to assume for the most part AMD's business oriented cards aren't a factor. Mind if I ask a couple of questions?
- What advantage will AMD have over Nvidia's gaming lineup if the cards they're releasing are designed and priced for the business market?
- If Nvidia is dominant in the market and selling well, why would they release a range of Navi cards? Perhaps less than a year later?
- Why do you believe Nvidia wants to 'be on 7nm' 10 months from now, and do you believe this will extend to the geforce range of cards. Why?
- Do you believe the jump to 7nm will produce low-end cards more powerful than a potential new ti and render it obsolete?
To be honest I don't really understand your reasoning at all. Not much of it makes business sense to me so I'm hoping you can elaborate. We're all just speculating, I appreciate that, but we can do so based on previous trends and current technologies; I cannot for the life of me understand why Nvidia 'wants' to be producing 7nm just because. It's performance and capability that matters, everything else is just marketing. I don't see Nvidia investing millions / billions into a new range of cards only to obsolete it potentially less than a year later without releasing one of their most lucrative products.
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Yeah, sig is correct. I had a choice when I built this system, grab a current card (1070/1080) in the midst of insane prices or drop this older card in and wait to see what Nvidia's new offerings are. I chose the latter.
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The 7nm process itself should give a huge advantage with lower power usage, a lot more transistors to work with and way smaller chips for the same performance. That's what Nvidia would gain from going to 7nm. AMD would have the same advantages if they were some how to bring about a good gaming chip which at the high end they don't seem to be targetting atm but Navi could gain a lot of traction in the mid end where all the sales are.
Navi is AMD's next gaming chip and not Nvidia's. Nvidia can't stand still like Intel and if they don't push 7nm may lose share in all markets so i don't see them sitting around on 12nm if 7nm with all the benefits is fit for purpose..
As above 7nm allows for nearly a doubling of transistors over 16nm/12nm so would allow Nvidia to bring out seriously more powerful chips at the same power usage as todays chips. AMD will be using it pretty early from the rumours so i can't see Nvidia just sitting there watching from the sidelines. Even with Nvidia's total dominance atm it would be foolish for them not to be going 7nm as they don't know what AMD have in store. Again Navi is supposed to be a mid high chip where there is a lot of sales to be had and could make Nvidia's 12nm chips look slow and power hungry although that's doubtful from the past gens.
AMD don't seem to be targetting high end gaming so i don't know but they in theory on 7nm could make Nvidia's 12nm gpu's look last gen. Why i say this is Nvidia on 7nm could produce the same performance or more on a mid size chip as that's how it works. AMD could do the same with the right tech so i doubt Nvidia are sitting around waiting to see if they can. It certainly won't be low end chips though but the 680/980/1080 have all been Nvidia's middle of the road chip in size.
It's basically the 7nm process with all it's advantages being nearly ready to use that has me thinking a ti version will come around sooner than it has in the past. Nvidia controls the market and they will do what they are going to do.
Put it this way though. On 14nm AMD's Vega 64 is faster than anything Nvidia built on 28nm. AMD going to 7nm first means they could build something faster than anything Nvidia have on 12nm in theory. That's how process tech works with each proper shrink if the tech is good enough.
One more point is Nvidia don't seem to wait long when new process nodes are ready to use. The last time they were behind on this front was with the gtx680 on 28nm and ever since then they have been ahead on this front. This time they don't need to as AMD don't really look like they want to push gaming performance but Nvidia don't ever seem to stand still and they shouldn't as Intel are now seeing.
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Smart move, At the very least the next gen should lead to some Pascal price drops.
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The 1080 launched at $699, at the rate the pound is going atm I'd be expecting very close to a 1:1 conversion....
Nope, next week. On the 20th it always was. Today's event is about ray tracing, the new messiah Turing and the death of Volta.
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I can only assume that gaming cards are less then this?
I can only assume that gaming cards are less then this?
The Titan might be at around the small quadro if not more. Depending perf.
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I hope not. I would think that the Titan would be a bit more cut down then a quadro.
Considering the Titan V was €3000; I think the new RTX will likely cost the same.
Well the Tensor cores on the new Quadro, alone are 5 times more powerful per card than an MI25 instinct (125TFlops fp16 vs 24.6 fp16) so the server garden would look about the same if he had of used a set of AMD servers.
But of course he used the Skylake example because that is what is currently used by most of the film CGI producers to actually do the rendering.
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The MI25 is alredy being replaced with the 7NM one they showed off,but that isn't being targetted towards raytracing AFAIK(?).