Boris and the burka
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Which you can't do. That's the point of it.
I'll ignore anyone dressed that way:
1) If they are freely choosing to cut themself themself from society and condemn me, then I have no wish to interact with them and would refrain from doing so anyway. I tend to prefer to allow people to live as they please.
2) If they're not freely choosing to cut themself off from society, me interacting with them would put them at risk from the person or people imposing it on them.
Well when I see people completely covered, my immediate thoughts are that we have nothing in common and that they are not open to any kind of verbal discourse whatsoever. I think it triggers something primitive and tribal when you can't read someone else's facial expression as a western person.
Conversely, I can identify with and read the faces of those wearing hijab and do not find them intimidating at all. The ladies I work with who fit that description are all lovely people, in fact.
Maybe there needs to be some education the other way rather than the onus being pushed on us towards tolerance. Covering your face in Western society is not normal and that's it IMO.
Well when I see people completely covered, my immediate thoughts are that we have nothing in common and that they are not open to any kind of verbal discourse whatsoever. I think it triggers something primitive and tribal when you can't read someone else's facial expression as a western person.
Conversely, I can identify with and read the faces of those wearing hijab and do not find them intimidating at all. The ladies I work with who fit that description are all lovely people, in fact.
Maybe there needs to be some education the other way rather than the onus being pushed on us towards tolerance. Covering your face in Western society is not normal and that's it IMO.
Fair enough.
Wow. Fair play for not making some sort of convoluted card-playing counter-argument as is the norm on here
Wow. Fair play for not making some sort of convoluted card-playing counter-argument as is the norm on here
Thanks.
Honest question though, I hope you don't mind.
Do you feel the same way when you see groups of motorcyclists fully kitted up? (I mean on sportsbikes, full leathers, full-face lid.)
Thanks.
Honest question though, I hope you don't mind.
Do you feel the same way when you see groups of motorcyclists fully kitted up?
I think that's a very tenuous link in all honesty, however, when I see groups of youths on motorcycles or pit bikes in balaclavas/masks/helmets pulling wheelies and being a nuisance as is common in my area, then absolutely yes. In fact I hold far more prejudice towards them than I would towards someone wearing a Niqab because they are actively ******* me off and reducing the quality of life for everyone in the immediate vicinity.
"Motorcyclists" are different because it depends on whether they are a gang or just a group of riders. Plus they will usually remove their kit when not riding.
You have that wrong mate.
innate *Fear* of kids ripping bikes in Thamesmead (regardless of race, clulture, religion) - because they will probably shank you if you "diss" them.
innate *Distrust* of people (which is pretty natural tbh) because they isolate themselves from the societal values you are used to.
Different things.
I think this is all getting a bit mixed up. Normal bikers don't spend all their time wearing crash helmets. We see their faces in public places, particularly in the pubs they hang out in - even the gangs.
Bike "gangstas" however, tend to be covering their faces to avoid ID which is therefore intimidating. Actually I shouldn't even use the word bike as it's insulting to bikers given the hairdryers they usually ride.
Err. Except I see a biker's face when they walk into a bank, petrol station or other public place.
The other two, probably not. Is one of those groups deserving of suspicion? Probably not but it's all about what is considered normal.
Sorry I thought you were being sensible a few posts ago.
Err. Except I see a biker's face when they walk into a bank, petrol station or other public place.
The other two, probably not.
Sorry I thought you were being sensible a few posts ago.
I honestly, and I mean that, can understand the double-take, and the questioning. I get the "modesty" but I don't think it's necessary to completely cover yourself completely to do that.
But it's just a person, just like the biker.
Thanks.
Honest question though, I hope you don't mind.
Do you feel the same way when you see groups of motorcyclists fully kitted up? (I mean on sportsbikes, full leathers, full-face lid.)
You tend to want to get your lid off if you aren’t staying on your bike so it isn’t really the same thing. Though it is a bit of a pain having to take it off when paying for petrol.
This right here is the number one reason not to do a ban.Anyways, we can't outright ban face coverings because it would put Lord Buckethead in a bit of a pickle.
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Has this thread now morphed into the suggestion that the Mad Tory Bonker Boris might "shank" someone for "dissing" him - predictable I guess.
Anyways, we can't outright ban face coverings because it would put Lord Buckethead in a bit of a pickle.
LOL, good point
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Isn't it also a problem that this sort of garb also excludes women from multiple forms of employment? I mean, fighter pilot and firefighter are definitely off the table.
"Muslim women are three times as likely to be unemployed, and twice as likely not to be in the jobs market in the first place, compared to women generally."
https://fullfact.org/economy/are-muslim-women-more-likely-be-unemployed/
"Muslim women are three times as likely to be unemployed, and twice as likely not to be in the jobs market in the first place, compared to women generally."
https://fullfact.org/economy/are-muslim-women-more-likely-be-unemployed/