Why doesn't the UK have a wealth fund?

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The $1,500 landmark is a nominal price: had governments listened to the bullion fanatics and loaded up on gold in the last big bull market in the early 1980s, they would still be waiting to earn their money back in real terms. More substantively, criticism of Mr Brown’s sale also betrays a misunderstanding of why a country such as the UK has gold at all. In common with most rich nations, the function of British foreign exchange reserves is not for the government to manage wealth on behalf of the country. British citizens do that themselves. The UK does not have a sovereign wealth fund that aims to maximise returns, and nor should it. It is not a big net oil and gas exporter such as Norway – UK net foreign exchange reserves are about $40bn, equivalent to 2 per cent of nominal gross domestic product, while Norway’s sovereign fund has $525bn, equivalent to almost 140 per cent of its GDP. Nor does the UK pile up foreign assets by persistently selling its own currency to manipulate the exchange rate, as does China. It is notable that the much-vaunted official purchases of gold over the past year are mainly by countries such as China and Russia – and, to a lesser extent, Mexico– with big excess reserves. UK reserves are there mainly for precautionary reasons – to intervene in currency markets to stop a run on sterling or to pursue monetary policy objectives. Yet gold is badly suited for this task because, despite recent interest from private investors, a large proportion of global above-ground stocks – 18 per cent in 2010 – is still held by governments. Any attempt to sell off large amounts quickly risks driving down the world price, which is what happened after Mr Brown’s announcement in 1999, leading to an international agreement between central banks to restrict further sales. A precautionary reserve asset held for intervention purposes whose price is likely to fall the instant it is used to intervene is singularly pointless. Of course, central banks selling into a rising market like today’s may not have the same impact as in 1999, but who knows what demand for gold will be like if and when the intervention is needed? There remains only one other main reason for governments to hold gold – to set monetary policy by linking the national currency to the gold price. This remains as bad an idea as ever. It would have meant sharply tightening monetary policy since the fall of 2008. This would have been madness. Private investors, and sovereign wealth funds out to make returns, can punt their money on what they like. If they choose to plonk it down on the blackjack table of the commodity markets, that is their decision. But there is no good reason that governments that hold reserves for purely precautionary purposes should feel the need to follow them.

It would appear to be a fruitless task in reality and that holding onto it is somewhat worthless as you'll always be waiting for the highest price, and the single moment you sell you'll crash it seemingly. The reasoning behind it is ultimately up to Brown, but it's not as party political as most would assume it is, it's just chancellor doing chancellor things.

I'd be more annoyed at his "boom and bust" comment in Westminster, frankly.
 
This is nonsense, we're the fifth largest economy in the world. Germany may not have a wealth fund but they have a national investment bank which is similar.

The US and Russia are bigger than us and don't have wealth funds. KfW borrow money in the capital markets and get a reduced rate due to an implicit government backed guarantee. Borrowed money is not wealth.
 
What is your point?

You are claiming I'm wrong in my original answer to the question and I'm disagreeing with you.

I too think it would be great if the UK had a wealth fund, I just don't see how we get one from where we are now. Even if the money side were solved, the UK has a terrible record at picking winners. I fear any such fund would just end up as a political football subject to whatever the latest twitter trend or daily mail whinge is.
 
Because politicians thought it would be good to offer tax cuts to win elections rather than do the grown up thing (such as Norway) and invest the jackpot we stumbled upon.
 
Norway also has government debt (albeit lower than most). So some of that wealth fund is also theoretical as the National Insurance Fund.

Also corporations and it's citizens have significant foreign debt which almost wipes out the SWF.

The other important factor to consider isn't simply how much foreign assets are owned, but also how much in assets you own in your own country.

Large economies are by their very nature large because they internally have significant assets (some of which may be foreign owned, but then you may also own foreign assets).

An easy way of thinking about this is that GDP itself is the income derived from assets. Those assets are it's people and capital (e.g. technology, land, equipment). A real return on capital of 10% is pretty good (likely way lower in the long run) and using that we can conservatively say the UK GDP of $3trn means there are $30trn in assets in the country mostly held internally.
 
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Because until recently (2006) we were still paying off the debt from WW2. But sure blame which ever political party you like (or more accurately don't like).

The countries with SWFs are mainly oil rich countries that put the revenues in the bank, we gave the revenues to people we owed money to and used the rest to pay the bills at home.
Remember the countries with SWFs also have a lot smaller populations as well and as such smaller operating costs.
 
Because until recently (2006) we were still paying off the debt from WW2. But sure blame which ever political party you like (or more accurately don't like).

The countries with SWFs are mainly oil rich countries that put the revenues in the bank, we gave the revenues to people we owed money to and used the rest to pay the bills at home.
Remember the countries with SWFs also have a lot smaller populations as well and as such smaller operating costs.
wasnt that something to do with the interest on the loan being fixed at 2% making it not worth paying off any faster and the money being better used elsewhere
 
Fighting absolutely pointless multi-decade wars in the Middle East hasn't helped matters.

I'm no economist, but I bet we could save a pretty penny if we stopped this too.

Looking at wiki, it has cost us £20bn by 2010 and by 2014, the telegraph and theguardian reports it's up too £35bn to £37bn since the Berlin Wall fell.

By 2020, it will cost us £40bn. :(
 
I'm no economist, but I bet we could save a pretty penny if we stopped this too.

Looking at wiki, it has cost us £20bn by 2010 and by 2014, the telegraph and theguardian reports it's up too £35bn to £37bn since the Berlin Wall fell.

By 2020, it will cost us £40bn. :(


but how much of that "cost" is spent within the uk.
 
but how much of that "cost" is spent within the uk.

Ah you referring to the costs of military spending in the UK that keeps the UK military industry running which in turns keeps the jobs open and money flowing which further connects to the British economy as a whole?

Can't deny that spending money on the military also tickles down, but in turn, our current foreign policy creates further problems due to our military fun times in the middle east.
 
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