A death threat of sorts. What would GD do?
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Generally, they can yes. But the fact remains that thieves prey on the oblivious/weak therefore you are making yourself a target by holding your phone out and listening to music unaware of your surroundings. Anyone could have the phone out of your hand and gone before you even realise. We had issues in our office where a lot of people were walking out the front door of our office texting or whatever, and having their phone snatched. Given where our building is there were so many places the thieves could disappear to, it was easy for them to get away. I saw it twice myself.
Firstly shiv? What the heck is that anyway. I'm no lawyer, but I expect someone verbally threatening you in the street isn't much defence for knocking them out (or worse). Mouthing off at someone does not constitute a threat to your life I'm afraid. You and your mate sound like the sort of plums that go around a medium-sized town centre Wetherpoons thinking they're God's gift, and starting on anyone that looks at you funny. Muppets.
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A crime absolutely was committed and should be added to the stats as such.
Attempted robbery is though...
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Still no reason to live in fear.
For many years I partied in Soho and lived in Camden, usually dressed like a complete freak and typically walking alone. Not once did I have a single problem... and I didn't exactly look menacing in those get-ups either.
Yeah, we got all that, along with a security update advising how best to behave, pretty much citing all the same stuff you have and the exact same attitude and mentality. Same for when people got jumped in the car park. Same for when people got their laptops snatched on the train. Same for when someone got murdered. Nobody's behaviour changed. We don't like living in fear.
Yes there are things you can and should do, but not at the expense of getting on with your way of life. If you have to walk around like you're about to be jumped and mugged and raped and murdered at every possible turn by everyone that comes near you, either you need to move to a different town or you're paranoid... Either way you are making yourself a victim and living in fear, even before anything has happened.
I believe it's prison slang for both an improvised stabbing implement, and for the action of using such, which has now, by virture of being prison slang and thus considered somewhat fashionable in certain circles, become a colloquialistic term meaning 'to stab'.
So when someone says, "I'mma shiv you, bruv" they are essentially saying, "I shall run you through with my entry-level miniature fencing foil, good sir".
It can, depending on numerous circumstances. Much of this you'd have to argue yourself, but so long as you can demonstrate reasonable force (one single hit often counts quite well in that case) and a genuine feeling of lethal threat, then yes, very much a defence.
Then again, I suppose you can always wait to see if they stab you and then take action.... assuming you're still breathing. If not, then you have the moral high ground, good sir, and shall be remembered for it... though not perhaps as you should have liked.
Really?
How much do you wanna bet on that? How about... your life?
Because it might just be a verbal threat and you can turn your back, walking away content in the knowledge that you have followed the law all nice and clean. Or it might well be a prelude to getting stabbed and in most situations you'll have about half a second to ponder the legalities of exactly what does and does not constitute a threat, before there's a knife buried in your belly to slam home the fact that your kids are now growing up without a father.
Half a second... by which time it's often too late.
Which mate is this?
You seem to be confusing me with another poster...
Again, it can be, depending on exact circumstances, exactly what was said and several other variables. If it meets certain criteria and is considered enough to cause the average person of sound mind and reason to feel in fear of imminent harm then it is a crime - It is also those same criteria that give you the cues to defend yourself.
Why would you accept a caution in such a situation? If it is one person's word against another there is no possibility of conviction thus no charges will be brought.
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True, but the police around here are ******* useless. When we got burgled they took an hour to turn up, leaving me fighting with one of the ***** on the living room floor, and then when they did finally turn up they refused to view the CCTV footage and then to top the lot actually asked the scrote I'd caught if he wanted to press charges against me. A scrote, I hasten to add, that was let go after a few hours in the cells and no charges pressed despite him being caught red-handed in my house, with my goods in his pockets.
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Would have put the loon in an neck lock and choked him out, then stole his phone. After carefully removing the screen and digitiser i would have sold them on ebay and made some sweet sweet cash money.
Kids these days....
Kids these days....
Yes, you're right, a threat is still a crime, i overlooked the threat bit because the person didn't actually physical harm or steal.
I had similar when I was about 19 walking home because I'd spent all my money. Heard a whistle behind me and there's 3 guys with hoods up to which I remember thinking in my drunken haze, "This looks fun...". I crossed the road and then they crossed as well, so I crossed back; same thing happened. I started to jog and they full on ran after me. A combination of being drunk and playing 5 a side football for 2 hours earlier meant I was knackered, so I stopped and turned around. One guy said "Give us all your ****". Not being a hard nut I literally sighed and went "Okay, hold on". Pulled my wallet out which had max of a fiver in (change) and a temporary pay as you go phone with no credit worth about a tenner. The main guy then asked if there was anything in my jacket (it was cold out). "No mate, wanna have a look?". Main guy tells his mate to check it which he does, as in, I took my jacket off and he searched it and then gave it back to me lol. The funny thing was it was quite an expensive jacket (£100 +). The police were really good about it to be fair - by the sound of it, I wasn't the first person that these lads had tried their luck with.
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I had this happen to me before, I reported it but nothing came of it afaik, still report it tho. The crime happened, Police need to be resourced to deal with the crime that happens, if you don't report it they'll never resource for it. I can't help wondering what the crime stats would really be like if everyone actually reported all crimes.
It really happened I could tell you another but you would not believe me.
It involved firearms and my mate going nuts because the kid could not **** the gun so he wanted to bang him out, me and my other friend dragged him away as if the kid could not **** the gun he probably could not shoot straight. I was not taking a plug for something my mate said to someone earlier and urinated them off in the pub.
So we hit the main road and got a cab.
I don't go out for a drink anymore its crazy.