New E10 fuel

Tinders said:
How old though, are we talking pre unleaded era cars?
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It depends, but it can affect much newer cars than that. IIRC primary concern on new stuff is it reacts with aluminium.
Worth mentioning that many current UK fuels are 'E5', and in USA you can buy E85 which works in many cars without issue.
 
Is E10 on sale here yet? I have not seen any petrol stations with it in my area.

I know my Alfa is not compatible so it will be Super unleaded for the rest of its life.
 
I was going to start a new topic, but found this one...

With the other post about premium vs standard fuel, I spotted a headline on my phone about E10 fuel.

Is this actually coming in now? Presumably it will be less efficient, so while producing less pollution/litre the car will in turn use more litres?

As long as they don't remove any 99ron pumps for this...
 
As I understand it E10 is not available at the moment. HMG seem to be heading towards insisting it is but it looks like only at larger stations and not to the exclusion of E5. This will primarily mean petrol stations have another storage tank! or drop an existing fuel. I suppose E10 could replace high octane stuff at some places but there are many cars that can't use E10 and a lot of concern that any current engine would suffer. As you say if the price is right though to offset any drop in MPG, who knows.
We might find it is used by transport first.
Andi.
 
I wasn't necessarily meaning a cost justification for the loss in mpg, I was just thinking the irony of "use this healthier fuel, it pollutes less per litre" but in turn you're using more litres every trip.

Assume it does gain traction...

If it's the new greener option, what will they do, give it a green pump and handle? That's not going to cause any confusion... I can see it regularly going into an incompatible car, especially if it's cheaper and people want to save a few pennies...

As I said, I just hope it doesn't reduce any high octane pumps/options...
 
DereksDontRun said:
I was going to start a new topic, but found this one...

With the other post about premium vs standard fuel, I spotted a headline on my phone about E10 fuel.

Is this actually coming in now? Presumably it will be less efficient, so while producing less pollution/litre the car will in turn use more litres?

As long as they don't remove any 99ron pumps for this...
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Almost all petrol stations have a 10% ethanol blend. It used to be that only standard unleaded had it but now most premium fuels have it too.

PS @ an earlier poster.. adding ethanol can increase RON rating so I don’t think you have an issue with regards to buying high octane fuel.
 
Berger said:
Widely used in Australia, noticed no difference between E10 and regular 95 economy wise.

Only a problem if you have an old car, similar to leaded and unleaded petrol.

E10 is cheaper than 95 by 1-2%.
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And Canada and the US.

No idea on fuel economy though, other than E85 reduces it by about 20%, so 10-15% ethanol is going to have negligible difference.

The cars set up for anything up to E85 so there’s no mechanical reason why not for me.
 
Hopefully this leads to a push towards manufacturers selling flex fuel capable cars in the UK and we can finally get E85 at the pump

Amp34 said:
And Canada and the US.

No idea on fuel economy though, other than E85 reduces it by about 20%, so 10-15% ethanol is going to have negligible difference.

The cars set up for anything up to E85 so there’s no mechanical reason why not for me.
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I'm using figures pulled from Google rather than doing the maths my self but regular petrol contains around 33.56 kW/US Gallon E10 32.78kW/US Gallon

That's less than a 3% difference in energy, therefore fuel economy so the difference between E5 and E10 is around 1.5%
 
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