Something to make you rage...

I don't know how to comment on these sorts of things, it looks like an awful set of circumstances.

I suppose it's a reminder of what happens when things break down, followed by incompetent and poorly performing government services who intervene - making decisions from a distance, probably on poor information - resulting in families being ripped apart by force.

Whilst there probably are two sides to the story, the reaction from the children seems pretty telling...
 
Mark1989 said:
There must be two sides to the story of course but the dad should be reassuring the kids saying he would fight for them still try get them back he said nothing to comfort them which is just shocking.

Situation could have been handled better the police are following orders, they clearly don't look comfortable doing it.

The massive red flag to me there is the kid saying the stuff about his mum hitting him, must be far more to this.
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Looking at his profile, I see hundreds of pictures of him and his kids, clearly happy.

I see a video, of them crying and screaming in distress because they are being taken away from their dad and taken to the mothers, where they clearly do not want to go. To the point of hitting and fighting with the police officers.

I hear one of the kids telling a price officer to talk to their mom about hitting them.

Why would the dad have anything re-assuring to say? "Oh don't worry kids your just being forcibly taken to somewhere you don't want to go with your mom that hits you"

Him taking that video was the best thing that he could ever of done. Stick that in front of a judge and see them say with a straight face forcing them into their mothers care is "best for the child".
 
Mark1989 said:
There must be two sides to the story of course but the dad should be reassuring the kids saying he would fight for them still try get them back he said nothing to comfort them which is just shocking.

Situation could have been handled better the police are following orders, they clearly don't look comfortable doing it.

The massive red flag to me there is the kid saying the stuff about his mum hitting him, must be far more to this.
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I thought that too. At that point the officers should have backed off and asked him what he meant by that. I mean if that's the reason the father took them from the mother and now the courts have gotten this completely wrong and forcing the kids back in the hands of their abuser then there have been serious failings.

However I am making massive assumptions just based on that video so a dose of salt is needed.

For those that have mentioned the wishes of the child being considered. Unfortunately it's not until the child is 14 that they can enter a preference into court however this does not mean that a court order will not go against this, if it sees fit.
 
kindai said:
Looking at his profile, I see hundreds of pictures of him and his kids, clearly happy.

I see a video, of them crying and screaming in distress because they are being taken away from their dad and taken to the mothers, where they clearly do not want to go. To the point of hitting and fighting with the police officers.

I hear one of the kids telling a price officer to talk to their mom about hitting them.

Why would the dad have anything re-assuring to say? "Oh don't worry kids your just being forcibly taken to somewhere you don't want to go with your mom that hits you"

Him taking that video was the best thing that he could ever of done. Stick that in front of a judge and see them say with a straight face forcing them into their mothers care is "best for the child".
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Because he's their bloody father...its what you do. There's no way I would ever let my children be in so much stress, some reassurance from him would have calmed the situation.
 
kindai said:
Warning: This video is horrific, 2 children being ripped away from the parent they want to be with.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1026656260836076

I honestly felt SICK watching this. How is this in the best interests of the children in ANY way shape or form.

The judge should be ashamed.

The police should be ashamed.

Social services should be ashamed.

The dad, just had to stand there and watch, if he tried to help his kids we all know he would have ended up in handcuffs.

This needs to go viral, as disturbing as it is, and needs to bring around real reform.
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Is there a link for us without a fb account?
 
It's hard to have an informed opinion just going off of that video alone, kids can be made to say anything really. Like that other thread on here by @Vidar where I'm sure his ex was putting stories in the kid's heads and they were telling their teacher as if it actually happened? Apologies if I'm mistaken here.
 
kindai said:
Looking at his profile, I see hundreds of pictures of him and his kids, clearly happy.

I see a video, of them crying and screaming in distress because they are being taken away from their dad and taken to the mothers, where they clearly do not want to go. To the point of hitting and fighting with the police officers.

I hear one of the kids telling a price officer to talk to their mom about hitting them.

Why would the dad have anything re-assuring to say? "Oh don't worry kids your just being forcibly taken to somewhere you don't want to go with your mom that hits you"

Him taking that video was the best thing that he could ever of done. Stick that in front of a judge and see them say with a straight face forcing them into their mothers care is "best for the child".
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Sorry but what? Whenever your kid is upset crying etc you always try to reassure them in some way he said nothing at all.

He could have simply said ill keep fighting for you anything along them lines, wouldn't of stopped him filming as you can film and talk at the same time.

May of made no difference. I also didn't say he shouldn't of done a video I just find it shocking he said nothing to them at all
 
For those without facebook, here is the video: https://streamable.com/ep6nn

Yesterday my children's mother requested to the courts that Jack and Amber should live with her, a very biased officer from Cafcass supported the move so I offered her residency but explained that I would not support the move because it was not what the children wanted.

The children's mother then requested to the courts that the police should attend our home to collect the children 'because she is scared of me' even though for the last 5 years she has been happy to collect the children from their home each weekend for visitation.

A male police officer attended our home and after discussion agreed that it was not in the best interests of Jack and Amber to use force to move them to their mothers house and we agreed that I would take the children to school the following day and their Mother would collect the children from school.

The male officer contacted his sergeant to explain our plan but the sergeant and the childrens mother declined the plan, the sergeant then arrived at our home and explained she would be using force to remove Jack and Amber and that if I intervened I would be arrested.

Over the last two years both Jack and Amber have consistently told the police, cafcass, social services, their school teachers, a child psychologist, the workers at the dreadnought centre in redruth and many others that they have been hit by their Mother on many occasions but it has been ignored.

Jacks words about 'hitting' to the sergeant 'you want to speak to my mum about that' will always ring true.

Mother has now locked the children inside her home, they can not go out and play, they are not in school and she refuses to let them visit me.

I have contacted social services today to ask if they could check on the children and let me know if they are ok but they declined to do so.

If everyone would be kind enough to share this video to help raise awareness of the flawed family court system and to make sure that other children do not endure this I would appreciate it.

One love

Dad, Jack and Amber.
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Well, am man enough to say, I had a few tears watching that, needless to say, it makes my blood boil.

I believe the kids, they not pretending anything, they honestly want to be with their dad.

Furthermore, the kids seem to be living with the dad since the beginning, but out of the blue, the mum is allowed to take them back, this is wrong, something wrong there.

"put the phone down and help calm the kids down" Yeah, that's not going to work, I don't think you understand kids enough to think they gonna calm down when they are bring ripped from their Dad to go stay someone clearly they don't want to be with. lol
 
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A male police officer attended our home and after discussion agreed that it was not in the best interests of Jack and Amber to use force to move them to their mothers house and we agreed that I would take the children to school the following day and their Mother would collect the children from school.

The male officer contacted his sergeant to explain our plan but the sergeant and the childrens mother declined the plan, the sergeant then arrived at our home and explained she would be using force to remove Jack and Amber and that if I intervened I would be arrested.
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Seems rather stupid to have decided to escalate it in such a damaging way rather than just do the rather sensible school plan.


Mother has now locked the children inside her home, they can not go out and play, they are not in school and she refuses to let them visit me.
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Won't she be getting fined for them not being in school then?

Seems like that could make his case for them as the government are pretty clear on kids not attending school
 
IronWarrior said:
"put the phone down and help calm the kids down" Yeah, that's not going to work
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undoubtedly it wouldn't have turned the situation into a wholesome fun day out but doing something is better than doing nothing, standing videoing it is a **** ton worse than doing nothing. he never even uttered one single word of consolation to the kids the entire time he was filming - awful to watch and the kids don't deserve that but the father was a weapons grade dick for not even trying to attempt to pacify them.
 
Thekwango said:
undoubtedly it wouldn't have turned the situation into a wholesome fun day out but doing something is better than doing nothing, standing videoing it is a **** ton worse than doing nothing. he never even uttered one single word of consolation to the kids the entire time he was filming - awful to watch and the kids don't deserve that but the father was a weapons grade dick for not even trying to attempt to pacify them.
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Personally, I don't think he should had tried to calm them down anyway, clearly the kids don't want to go with them, they should fight back, #RESIST as the liberals love to say. If I was in their place, as them kids Wango and they was trying to take me from my parents, I would had clawed their eyes out.

Ah well, maybe in the next few days, we will get a proper news story when the media finally pick the story up, maybe get some more facts.
 
IronWarrior said:
Personally, I don't think he should had tried to calm them down anyway, clearly the kids don't want to go with them, they should fight back, #RESIST as the liberals love to say. If I was in their place, as them kids Wango and they was trying to take me from my parents, I would had clawed their eyes out.
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I actually agree, showing in full how much they don't want to go is surely 100x more useful as evidence to support the case for the father than them just discussing it calmly.
 
kindai said:
I actually agree, showing in full how much they don't want to go is surely 100x more useful as evidence to support the case for the father than them just discussing it calmly.
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I didn't think about that, but yeah, this video will prove useful as video evidence at the family court to show that the kids want to stay with their dad over their mother.

On top of that, I also think it's best that he didn't make physical contact with the kids, it would had been much harder for them to be broken apart, since the kid be wrapping themselves and holding onto him as hard as they could as the cops be trying to pull them off him, honestly can imagine that happening.

Ah well, in the end, this Police Sergeant is the biggest dick here, the cops and this guy had a plan and that plan was for the mother to pick the kids up from School which he blow up forcing them to pick them up at their home instead. :rolleyes:
 
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