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GPU pricing, PC Gaming Becoming an Extreme Luxury?

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You don't need 2080** for those titles, plenty wanna be 2080** owners will be keeping what they have to play those titles and spend the money elsewhere-consoles and get to play everything creating a slower advancement in pc gaming but speeding up console development.
 
Rock_n_Roll said:
PC games don't need to be AAA to validate their exclusivity to the platform. I cant' play Shadowrun Returns or their follow ups Dragonfall, Hong Kong or games like Legend of Grimrock on console. Games like Dead Cells are just making their way onto consoles, the game has been out for ages on PC, there are load of titles like that just don't get the media coverage because they aren't AAA.
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But

A) You don't need the latest GPU to play Shadowrun Returns

B) You can play it on Android and IOS devices...
 
Rock_n_Roll said:
PC games don't need to be AAA to validate their exclusivity to the platform. I cant' play Shadowrun Returns or their follow ups Dragonfall, Hong Kong or games like Legend of Grimrock on console. Games like Dead Cells are just making their way onto consoles, the game has been out for ages on PC, there are load of titles like that just don't get the media coverage because they aren't AAA.

That's one of the great aspect about the PC platform. It's got more new IP than one can keep up with. In console land, it's all about popcorn games (AAA). Nothing else matters.

Also, It's funny that console gamers shout about a title selling a few million copies, yet you have a game like LOL drawing in 27 million a day or game like Diablo 3 shifting 6 million in it's first week.

Console gaming is like Top of the Pops, mostly casual, but those with a bit of knowledge know fine well that's not where the best content is to be found.
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You pretty much just backed up what i said. PC with little heard of games and big esport following. I play on both systems and enjoy what they both have to offer. When i made the move to PC it was because it was more powerful yet had it's own AAA titles that were superior to console. I am a bit frustrated that it's not the case any more as it deserves better. It frustrates me a lot having way more powerful hardware yet games only look slightly better. Piracy needs stopped and maybe more Devs would step up.
 
You can still buy a PC that has decent performance for a reasonable price.

But it requires a bit more acceptance now I would say of this.

1 - buying some used parts
2 - not using latest gen hardware
3 - not using highest tier hardware.
4 - not using highest game settings
5 - accepting 60 or lower framerates, so not jumping on the super high framerate bandwagon.

e.g. so many people on ocuk buying 8700k's not 8600k's when the latter will give the same gaming performance, thats £100 wasted already. Buy a 2600 e.g. or an 8400, pair it with a gtx 1060 or gtx 970 and you still have a reasonable gaming rig.

I seen used skylake chips go for good prices in the MM, as well as ram and boards.

We not at the breaking point at the moment.

Even with current pricing to me console gaming is more expensive.

1 - between console gens cannot sell old console to recover cost as want to play old games
2 - new accessories required for each console upgrade as propriety.
3 - console games tend to cost more than pc counterparts
4 - (doesnt apply to me mostly) if you game online consoles have a subscription fee.
 
TheRealDeal said:
When i made the move to PC it was because it was more powerful yet had it's own AAA titles that were superior to console. I am a bit frustrated that it's not the case any more as it deserves better. It frustrates me a lot having way more powerful hardware yet games only look slightly better. Piracy needs stopped and maybe more Devs would step up.
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Don't spent hundreds on a GPU then. Well all know it's just souped up console ports that drive the sales of these cards. The benefits of the PC platform far out weigh it's ambiguities for those of us that look outside the AAA bubble.
 
Being married/having a partner is what I would call an extremely expensive luxury, by comparison PC gaming is bargain basement fun.:D
 
chrcoluk said:
You can still buy a PC that has decent performance for a reasonable price.

But it requires a bit more acceptance now I would say of this.

1 - buying some used parts
2 - not using latest gen hardware
3 - not using highest tier hardware.
4 - not using highest game settings
5 - accepting 60 or lower framerates, so not jumping on the super high framerate bandwagon.

e.g. so many people on ocuk buying 8700k's not 8600k's when the latter will give the same gaming performance, thats £100 wasted already. Buy a 2600 e.g. or an 8400, pair it with a gtx 1060 or gtx 970 and you still have a reasonable gaming rig.
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Pretty much this^^. I've never chased the extreme high end. Spend your money wisely and you can still have a better than console experience. You don't need to go daft and spend oodles of money.

Kaapstad said:
Being married/having a partner is what I would call an extremely expensive luxury, by comparison PC gaming is bargain basement fun.:D
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:D
 
You'd think by now that we'd have accepted where we are, is there really anything left to say that hasn't been said?

I'd love a Range Rover but I can't justify the cost, so Kuga it is. I won't be trawling the motors section dissecting it to death.
 
String said:
You'd think by now that we'd have accepted where we are, is there really anything left to say that hasn't been said?

I'd love a Range Rover but I can't justify the cost, so Kuga it is. I won't be trawling the motors section dissecting it to death.
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I do not think it has been said that the 20xx cards are overpriced and that not many gamers are buying them :eek: bring on the 2070 mid range card at £600.
 
Evosparki said:
I've heard the exact same thing for the last 20 years. Also, PC gaming is dying/dead... it just ain't gonna happen, I've heard it over and over and over even back in year 2004 when the nvidia 6800 Ultra came out for £450 and everyone online was up in arms over that.
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You're right on the first thing, pc gaming has apparently been dying ever since I got into it in the late 90s. Never happens.

Not sure on the 6800 ultra though, just checked my emails and I have a receipt from when I bought mine in July 2004 from Dabs (remember them) - price £335.99
 
TerrierHTFC said:
You're right on the first thing, pc gaming has apparently been dying ever since I got into it in the late 90s. Never happens.

Not sure on the 6800 ultra though, just checked my emails and I have a receipt from when I bought mine in July 2004 from Dabs (remember them) - price £335.99
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It's certainly evolved though.

What's the last AAA PC title you can remember that wasn't released on console?

And I don't mean some dodgy port a few years later, like Doom on the Snes.
 
There is at least one game currently in development that you will never see on Console, too big, requires high performance PC's to run.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/

Player made video.


A couple of official videos.






That's a tiny selection of what's out there ^^^ :D
 
VincentHanna said:
It's certainly evolved though.

What's the last AAA PC title you can remember that wasn't released on console?

And I don't mean some dodgy port a few years later, like Doom on the Snes.
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As a VR user, I can think of quite a few but whether they are classed as AAA or just so good in my book is up for debate.
 
humbug said:
There is at least one game currently in development that you will never see on Console, too big, requires high performance PC's to run.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/

Player made video.


A couple of official videos.






That's a tiny selection of what's out there ^^^ :D
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Great, but I crowdfunded it in 2012 and haven't seen anything particularly 'fun' to come out of it in the last 6 years...

Assuming the PS5 is launched in 2020, I doubt it'll have any problems running that.
 
VincentHanna said:
Great, but I crowdfunded it in 2012 and haven't seen anything particularly 'fun' to come out of it in the last 6 years...

Assuming the PS5 is launched in 2020, I doubt it'll have any problems running that.
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Its literally an entire universe in a seamless sandbox, planets included, new technology needs to be invented for it, it takes time but its getting there, a crucial part of it (Object Container Streaming) is coming online in a few weeks, it will expand at that point.

Planetary tech in now in, this was the fist demo of it in 2015


Planetary Demo play-through in 2016.


As you can see from the other videos i posted its now in game.
 
Yes it's ambitious
Yes they have kept backers updated throughout
Yes they have released Alpha versions

But 6 years with nothing particularly fun to play is still a long time by anybody's standards.

And there's no reason next gen consoles won't play the game. They will all be targeting 4k/60hz performance.
 
I'm a Yorkshireman, ergo parting with cash is a very serious matter for me :p

Going back a few personal GPU gens summary:

780Ti: eeeehh, it's a bit pricey but ok. Bought one at £500. Then another one some months later for SLI
980Ti: eeeehh, go on then. Virtually doubled performance over previous Ti, and bagged one new for less than £500. Added another for SLI some months later.
1080Ti: eeeehh I'm right fed up wi' lack of SLI support, I want one powerful card. Virtually doubled performance over previous Ti. Didn't buy at launch but got one new from Nvidia for £650, just before the price increases.
2080Ti: **** right off! Genuinely ridiculous price, mediocre generational performance leap, has features that by the time they actually get used in games, the next gen cards will be out, which may or may not actually have the juice to use ray tracing at respectable resolutions.


Not to be dramatic but I think PC gaming's moving into dangerous territory here. And I've been a PC gamer longer than I care to remember. AMD need to step in asap, or it's going to simply get unrealistic for lots of people.

I know you don't need to buy the Ti card, but I always have done before, and the price just ******* doubled. GPU tech tallies with monitor tech to a large degree. If you want to follow the higher end gaming experience that makes PC gaming worth while, you need the best GPU to go with the best monitors. As resolution and monitor Hz is increasing you therefore do 'need' to be buying the Ti cards, and the pricing just went vulgar.
 
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