Radical Feminist and SJW's incessant cultural Marxism could create havoc on internet infastructure.

mmj_uk · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:44

This is great news for corporations who are having to compete with open source development, the problem with open source is corporations can't just buy them out to maintain their monopolies but it looks like they're found a way to destroy them, or at the very least sow chaos internally.

If the open source community have a code of conduct then it'll be no different to the way Alex Jones (a huge online media presence like him or hate him) was banned out of existance by the major internet corporations claiming he was abusive and broke their CoC/T&C's, when you have vague and increasingly draconian CoC/T&C's that involve subjective 'hate crimes' and 'offending people' they can basically shut down anyone they want under the current climate, all they have to do is invent complaints against people who express non-conformist opinions and the far left corporate controlled "sack him and ruin his life" outrage machine kicks in.

CNN have all time low viewing figures and are losing money? no problem, just collude with other corporations to ban their independent competitors from all known internet services and cite CoC/T&C violations. But remember, Trump is the Fascist because those same corporations who think they're masters of the universe don't like him.

VincentHanna · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:45

Mason- said:
Outcry for the absolutely vast majority of men dying in the workplace? No?

I don't understand that point

Surely that's got to be pretty much the lowest it's ever been in the history of the UK?

It's actually self-employed workers with the biggest death rate as well....

The UK also has one of the lowest rates of fatal injury across the entire EU.

Mason- · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:48

VincentHanna said:
I don't understand that point

Surely that's got to be pretty much the lowest it's ever been in the history of the UK?

It's actually self-employed workers with the biggest death rate as well....

The UK also has one of the lowest rates of fatal injury across the entire EU.

The raw stat is irrelevant, the proportion is the argument I was making, and don't try and make this into something else because that was clearly the point I was making.

"Fatal injuries to workers are predominately to male workers. In 2017/18, 138 (96%) of all worker fatalities were to male workers, a similar proportion to earlier years."

http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf

It's because there is industries absolutely dominated by men, of which there is 0 emphasis on increasing 'diversity' in because they don't want to do those jobs.

You can't want more representation of women in an industry because 50% of the population is female therefore 50% of your workforce should be female in software engineering and not want it in HV electrical engineering etc.

Look at the job types: Construction, Agriculture, Manufacturing, Transport and Storage, Waste.

"More female builders! More female farmers! More female factory workers! More female truck drivers! More female sewer workers!"

All of which can be very well paid jobs.

Those are things I've never heard.

humbug · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:49

Hades said:
Do you realise quite how big companies like Tata, Cognizant and other similar ones are, and how much influence they have on the industry? They aren't exactly staffed by a majority of white males.

Also some pretty big heavy hitters such as Satya Nadella and Lisa Su aren't exactly white males either.

I don't know who Satya Nadella is but i'm very familiar with Dr Lisa Su, she is a technology engineer, a very very good one, quite recently she has become CEO of AMD, she is credited, very rightfully credited with turning AMD around, from a failing company to very and increasingly successful one.

https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/AMD

Hades · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:53

@humbug Yes indeed. Also Satya Nadella runs Microsoft.

humbug · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:55

Hades said:
@humbug Yes indeed. Also Satya Nadella runs Microsoft.

Oh i see, very cool, i bet she will do a better job than Steve Ballmer

CREATIVE!11 · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:56

In b4 all you guys do is complain about sjw's why u so bothered!!!!

They don't have any impact / influence anything!1!1

Lol ok.

VincentHanna · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:58

Well the fear you have of "Cultural marxist SJW's" is bizarre.

Like they are taking over the ******* World or something...

I don't even think I've ever met one. But then you probably think I am one. :rolleyes:

peterwalkley · 26 Sep 2018 at 15:59

humbug said:
So what do you suggest? these arguments keep getting made, Girls in School don't take up this and that subject and as result there isn't 50/50 Man Woman in said field.

This completely ignores the fact that Boys and Girls 'in general' are different and have different interests, this affects what they want to do with their lives.

What do you suggest we do about that?

I wish I knew the answer

Smarter people than me have also failed.

humbug · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:04

peterwalkley said:
I wish I knew the answer Smarter people than me have also failed.

How about we just let people do what they want to do? things workout just fine if one just accepts that we are all grown-up's, this isn't a school yard reverberating to the sound of "Eww Girls" and let the natural course of things happen.

Talented people bubble to the top, gender is irrelevant to that, this is a very healthy thing, allowing talented people get to where they are going based on merit, pushing people into potions because they are more a skin colour or gender than they are a talent is very unhealthy.

Mason- · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:05

Genuine question for people in this thread.

If we lived in a world where everyone was born equally under the eyes of the law, that absolutely no discrimination occurred, no stereotypes existed. Do people really think that the proportion of men and women in certain job sectors would be the same as that of the population? And if so, why do you think that? Do you really think all differences in behaviour, desires and interests are a product of discrimination, inequality and stereotyping?

Edit:

And further if you don't think it accounts for 'all' differences but 'some', then what is the natural difference to aim for? I suspect this is something impossible to know.

humbug · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:07

My answer to your question is above you

humbug · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:09

humbug said:
How about we just let people do what they want to do? things workout just fine if one just accepts that we are all grown-up's, this isn't a school yard reverberating to the sound of "Eww Girls" and let the natural course of things happen.

Talented people bubble to the top, gender is irrelevant to that, this is a very healthy thing, allowing talented people get to where they are going based on merit, pushing people into potions because they are more a skin colour or gender than they are a talent is very unhealthy.

Actually you know what, with that ^^^^ i think its a good time to repeat this.

Labours next leader will be a Woman, not the best candidate, just a Woman, Labour have said so themselves because its politically desirable to them, the conservatives have had 2 Woman leaders who turned into PM's, what's the difference? they naturally bubbled to the top through their hard work and talents, the Conservatives are not social Marxist who push beta's up the ranks because they have the right social credentials, Thatcher was no Feminist and nor is May.

Hades · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:11

CREATIVE!11 said:
In b4 all you guys do is complain about sjw's why u so bothered!!!!

They don't have any impact / influence anything!1!1

Lol ok.

They have a very big impact on all of us. I personally believe in jobs being performed by the best person qualified, regardless of race, colour, culture, sex, gender, etc. The SJW approach is that the job should be performed by someone who agrees with their views, not the best person for the job. They may get lucky and the best person for the job agrees with their views. But it's not guaranteed.

Over time this leads to a poorer job being done. Companies will become less competitive and, in this case, the Linux kernel will be poorer quality.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:17

Hades said:
Do you realise quite how big companies like Tata, Cognizant and other similar ones are, and how much influence they have on the industry? They aren't exactly staffed by a majority of white males.

Also some pretty big heavy hitters such as Satya Nadella and Lisa Su aren't exactly white males either.

They are great exceptions to the rule, but that's what they are.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:19

Hades said:
They have a very big impact on all of us. I personally believe in jobs being performed by the best person qualified, regardless of race, colour, culture, sex, gender, etc. The SJW approach is that the job should be performed by someone who agrees with their views, not the best person for the job. They may get lucky and the best person for the job agrees with their views. But it's not guaranteed.

Over time this leads to a poorer job being done. Companies will become less competitive and, in this case, the Linux kernel will be poorer quality.

People generally promote/hire in their own image, unconsciously. Making that a true meritocracy is incredibly difficult when you add humans to the process. This is why blind interviewing has different results to more traditional face to face interviewing.

RaohNS · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:20

Burnsy2023 said:
The software industry is often a hostile place for women and minorities for a plethora of cultural reasons. .

Don't you work for the Police? You do realise that this type of blanket action and view being taken by the police is exactly one reason why people are sick of it?

You are playing into Political Policing regimen. Might be time to forget what you've had to learn at your latest "SJW" training session.

I agree with Hades, while not working in the industry but working closely to a sector that teaches it, women are not discouraged and minorities are vastly over represented (with the exception of Pakistani women).

Mason- · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:26

Burnsy2023 said:
Because it's easy to say there isn't discrimination when you would never be subject to it.

And I've also just noticed another fantastic example of this cherry.

"You'll never experienced discrimination because you're a white male".

No of course I won't, you've just prejudiced me on my skin colour and gender, I've never been nor will be discriminated against

. Truly unbelievable how blind you are to your own hypocrisy.

Hades · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:27

Burnsy2023 said:
They are great exceptions to the rule, but that's what they are.

So the multiple massive, literally massive, global consultancy companies embedded in swathes of IT, staffed by very few white males are exceptions to the rule?

Still havent seen the plethora examples of hostile environment.

Burnsy2023 · 26 Sep 2018 at 16:28

RaohNS said:
Don't you work for the Police? You do realise that this type of blanket action and view being taken by the police is exactly one reason why people are sick of it?

I've not suggested that this is a great solution, I'm focusing on making the point that the problem exists.

RaohNS said:
You are playing into Political Policing regimen. Might be time to forget what you've had to learn at your latest "SJW" training session.

No, no I'm not. These views are my own.

Mason- said:
And I've also just noticed another fantastic example of this cherry.

"You'll never experienced discrimination because you're a white male".

No of course I haven't, you've just prejudiced me on my skin colour and gender, I've never been discriminated against . Truly unbelievable how blind you are to your own hypocrisy.

There's no hypocrisy. Like I said in my blindness analogy, I can't, however noble my intentions, know what it's like to live being blind and the barriers that are in place that other's would not understand or even notice. That's not my fault, but it is reality.