Pret allergy death

If I had a life threatening allergy no freaking way would I be eating ready made sandwiches that can so easily be cross contaminated let alone not contain a 101% comprehensive list of ingredients.

It's tragic but stupid. I heard her parents on radio4 and it was heart breaking but somehow I blame them and her still, not the retailer.

Yes, it's obvious the parents are girding up for a campaign of blame pointing, but as the above posters have said I'm finding it hard
to shake off the feeling that a person suffering from a potentially deathly allergy must be 100% responsible for what they eat,
if there is a 1% doubt of what is in it, don't eat it, it was a risky and foolish thing to do.
 
That isn't what I'm saying. But on the other hand if a min wage staffer knew an item was marked as free of sesame seeds but saw the products coming through had them on how many would take action?

How would they know if it was in the flour and invisible to the naked eye?
 
That isn't what I'm saying. But on the other hand if a min wage staffer knew an item was marked as free of sesame seeds but saw the products coming through had them on how many would take action?

If it's only a trace they wouldn't know at all, like the bread being cooked in sesame oil or a batch of sandwich filler made on a production line that also makes sandwich fillers with allergens in. How would they know? It's just looking for blame again.
 
If it's only a trace they wouldn't know at all, like the bread being cooked in sesame oil or a batch of sandwich filler made on a production line that also makes sandwich fillers with allergens in. How would they know? It's just looking for blame again.

You are superimposing your own interpretation over my words - I'm talking about people who knowingly can't be bothered to do anything outside of what they absolutely have to take responsibility for and won't even trouble their mind about it.
 
If it comes down to a claim, i guess it will all boil down to whether Pret were negligent and no doubt this will be a long legal battle. Only lawyers will benefit from it.
 
Labeling ingredients to prevent death in the event of a severe reaction seems like a proportionate measure to me.

I strongly suspect this will be the recommended action from the outcome of this investigation, and classed as an accidental death.

I can't see pret incurring any financial penalties for this. I'd bet their lawyers would tear apart any attempt and just point to the law that they were abiding by. Regardless of whether they should morally have done more.
 
As @Angilion points out, the girls Dad used two epipens on her without any effect - whether they were used too late etc will probably be covered in this investigation. I think an article i read last week mentioned something along the lines that the length of the needles on the epipens would't have allowed the adrenaline to get round her bloodstream to counter the effects. Which if that's the case then carrying an epipen wouldn't have made much difference. So i again wonder why she never asked whether the baguette had sesame seeds in it.

yeah, epi pens have a needle length of 16mm, so if it's injected wrongly into the subcutaneous fat, it doesn't do much, as it's supposed to be injected into the muscles.
if one has an allergic reaction in hospital, we'd draw up the adrenaline from an ampoule and use a 25mm needle to inject it into the patient.

@Angilion @Semple
I know about the epipens that were used, but was just surprised that the airline didn't have any extra on board.

Was more a comment on it generally seeming a good idea, than on this particular case.

Just been reading through some inquest articles and the flight concerned did have an Epipen in the onboard medical kit but the cabin crew failed to inform the doctor attending to Natasha.

Also her dad injected the second epipen from Nastasha's bag into the same location (right thigh) as the first epipen injection (maybe through sheer panic?) when according to a medical expert a second injection should have been into the opposite thigh.

most airlines will have adrenaline of some sort aboard.

here's the lufthansa's kit:
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if both epipens didn't work correctly/wasn't enough, then i'd be giving the adrenaline intravenously.
but that's me with 6 years of experience (and as a medical/intensive care registrar). the doc that attended to the girl was pretty much fresh out of med school if i recall correctly.

I'm not in anyway unsympathetic to this needless death but what is the usual medical way of dealing with this condition and is there a self remedy treatment sufferers could carry in the event of an emergency?
answered just above :p

I wonder if she wasn't on a plane at the time if she could have been saved, or if the body just had a complete shutdown from the product that it was always a lose lose situation.
debatable, depending on the time frame.
the girl went into cardiac arrest due to lack of oxygen and/or low blood pressure.
also i see news outlets ranting about how the crew didnt get the defibrillator - this wouldn't have worked anyway, because it wasn't a heart rhythm issue that caused the girl's cardiac arrest.
 
I'm surprised there's not been a thread on this already.

Anyone who's watched/read the news in the last week will undoubtedly have come across the sad story of the young girl who died after eating a baguette purchased from Pret.

Having the inquest is obviously a good thing, as i would hope regulations change and force any shop selling hand-made sandwiches (regardless of how small the business is) to put individual labels on products to list ingredients/allergen info.

What gets me is your typical SJW's who are plastering all over social media about how Pret should be sued. Whilst absolutely tragic, Pret have only followed what the regulations outline needs to be done, so in theory haven't done anything wrong.

The other thing that crosses my mind, if you have an allergy that could actually kill you, as opposed to mild swelling/rashes etc. Why on earth would you not have asked at the till whether the item you're purchasing has such and such in it. A minor inconvenience to the staff, and perhaps the queue of customers, but would no doubt have saved this girls life.

I think all we can hope to see from this tragedy is much better labelling on food products to prevent another person from needlessly dying.
If I had such an allergy I don't think I would ever risk eating out. It's a tragic story, and must have been pretty traumatic for everyone involved.
 
its terrible but i also can't understand why they weren't more careful - sesame seeds are hardly rare.
True, but in this case the sesame wasn’t in the sandwich so they thought it would be fine. There was no mention of sesame seeds in the filling description because there weren’t any. It was sesame flour used in the roll.
 
It was labeled not anywhere and the oil was used to bake the bread as far as I believe.
Either the baker never told anyone what ingredients they used, or Pret never bothered to find out.

According to the reporting I've read, it was listed in the shop's allergens book.

An aside for people who don't know about this aspect of selling food - businesses that sell food (in the UK, anyway) have to keep a book listing everything they sell and everything in it, specifically highlighting certain substances that can trigger fatal allergies. Everything must be in there, and I mean everything. In addition, every food outlet section in the business must have a complete copy which must be available at all times. To give an example from my own workplace: in addition to drink vending machines and prepackaged milk substitutes we also use locally purchased milk in some drinks for customers. It's just standard milk bought retail at a local supermarket, same as any person could buy it. We have to fill out an allergen form for the milk. In triplicate because there are three food outlet sections in the business. The form has to clearly state that the milk contains milk. I am not joking. One copy of the form is placed in each allergen book, one at each food outlet section. If we happen to buy a different brand of milk, we have to fill out an allergen form in triplicate again and add a copy to each book. Stating that milk contains milk. Not just that one brand of milk contains milk, but that each specific brand of milk contains milk. Every food item we sell or has sold is in there, whether it's a standard order item from a big supplier or a local purchase. It's a very large book.

Why should a coffee shop staffer confirm if there are allergens in the sandwich or not when they don't know for sure. Especially when they only put the sandwich together, they didn't make the bread from scratch or mix up the bought-in sandwich filler, etc.

See above. If a customer at work asked me what allergens were in any food item sold at my workplace, I should and could confirm a complete list for every food item down to the smallest ingredient. If someone wanted to know if there was a miniscule amount of nut oil in some bread or some mustard or anything else, that information would be available within a minute. Including for the sandwiches we sell, which are hand made. The employee won't know for sure, but they should have access to the information.

However, the onus is on the customer to ask.

Would it then be OK for the min wage employee to be blamed?

Only if they knowingly gave false information or if they were supposed to update the allergen book and didn't do so.
 
It was labeled not anywhere and the oil was used to bake the bread as far as I believe.
Either the baker never told anyone what ingredients they used, or Pret never bothered to find out

In channel 4 news they showed the pre (customer visible) shelf labelling where it was clearly marked ... which is what the narrative was no ?

moreover channel (bloody) 4 news, putting words in the parents, who were being intereviewed, mouths, and villainising pre for not having not yet put any measures in place, after 48hrs.

edit - they showed
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I don't want to sound like I'm heartless but if I had allergies that could kill me then I would always make my own food, no exceptions. What was she thinking buying food from a small outlet that is always very busy and makes their own food in a small kitchen onsite that has no labels with all ingreadents used and a massive label that is is made in a place with no nuts etc. Call me whatever you want but this is just pure laziness.
 
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