Pret allergy death

adidan · 2 Oct 2018 at 17:49

Tragic for the family.

Not sure if I had an allergy that could result in my death i'd trust anything from anywhere and make my own.

Our friends always take their kids food with them as they've been in hospital several times even when taking as many precautions as possible.

Dis86 · 2 Oct 2018 at 17:49

Rifte said:
Its an awful story, and when you hear the last moments of the girl crying for help to her father because she couldn't breath, it tears me up.

Human element and emotion parked for one second, I do put blame at the feet of the father and unfortunately the girl as well. As others have mentioned if she had such a severe reaction you would check, double check and triple check stuff like this, surely?

One element that did shock me the most was the response from a BA crew member putting forward her reason for not going to get the defibrillator from the back of the aircraft.

I understand the logic.....but still......WTF?

You do understand what defibrillators are for right? They wouldn't help in this situation.

Roland Butter · 2 Oct 2018 at 17:55

LeeUK said:
Either that or it was all about the profits - like everything in Tory Britain.

Amazing, not a glimmer of shame, lobbing in an anti Tory jibe from this tragic story.

Rifte · 2 Oct 2018 at 18:13

Dis86 said:
You do understand what defibrillators are for right? They wouldn't help in this situation.

I am no doctor but I am understand the basics.

I wonder if the BA crew made the decision not to get it on the basis that it wouldn't work? Doubtful. That's my issue.

The lack of effort in getting it was also raised as a concern by the coroner. So I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make out.

jpaul · 2 Oct 2018 at 20:47

... and when you hear the last moments of the girl

Did they disclose who took these videos and whether they were publically released with the parents permission ?
like other trajic events seems ghoulish/inappropriate (couldn't they help) for folks with mobiles to record such initmate events and then put into public domain.

Roland Butter · 2 Oct 2018 at 20:57

jpaul said:
Did they disclose who took these videos and whether they were publically released with the parents permission ?
like other trajic events seems ghoulish/inappropriate (couldn't they help) for folks with mobiles to record such initmate events and then put into public domain.

Such behaviour is now accepted, the recording of anything out of the ordinary , however tasteless, is it's here to stay.

My earnest entreaties to my MP to introduce a PMB that you can lawfully punch a mobile phone ghoul has fell on deaf ears mainly because
she is a spineless leftie bed wetter.

adidan · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:00

Roland Butter said:
Such behaviour is now accepted, the recording of anything out of the ordinary , however tasteless, is it's here to stay.

I do hope not. A bit of decency and respect goes a long way.

GGizmo · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:16

Screeeech said:
What's also interesting, is that allergies in children are on the rise in western developed countries only - not in third world or developed countries, according to available data.

Because there isnt the same mindset in third and undeveloped countries to mass produce food.

The ice cream I was mentioning was ben and jerry's. There was (maybe still is I haven't kept my eye on it) a weed killer in the ingredients. When this came to light all they said was something like, "well, its below the allowed amount". They never address why they have it in there in the first place.

You won't see many reports about chemicals in foods because the food industry is massive. It's no coincidence when chemicals started to be either put in foods, or sprayed over crops, was when western people started to become more ill.

MikeTheNative · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:31

Just stop, your embarrassing yourself. You can tell someone has no idea what they are on about when they say there are 'chemicals' in food. Yeah I'm not surprised, there are atoms in them too.

GGizmo · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:35

MikeTheNative said:
Just stop, your embarrassing yourself.

Keep eating it up, its doing wonders for your intellectual debating skills.

Raymond Lin · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:37

Chemicals in food lol

Like Sugar, protein, salt, water?

No wonder you won't see many reports on chemicals in food.

MikeTheNative · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:37

BowdonUK said:
Keep eating it up, its doing wonders for your intellectual debating skills.

How can you have a debate with someone who doesn't understand basic science? Seriously, google what chemical means, water is a chemical.

MikeTheNative · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:39

Raymond Lin said:
Chemicals in food lol

Like Sugar, protein, salt, water?

No wonder you won't see many reports on chemicals in food.

He's going to have a heart attack when he hears apples have cyanide in.

Raymond Lin · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:40

MikeTheNative said:
He's going to have a heart attack when he hears apples have cyanide in.

lol

and MSG is in cooked tomatoes !

GGizmo · 2 Oct 2018 at 21:41

So lets see if you can answer the question that I was replying to and say why all these immune problems are only happening in the West? What is your theory about it?

I'd also like to hear your answer as to why Ben and Jerry's ice cream has/had weed killer in?

Here is a link about the Ben and Jerry's story I'm on about;

Weedkiller found in Ben and Jerry's ice cream
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-weedkiller-ice-cream-discovery-a7993086.html

asim18 · 2 Oct 2018 at 22:00

MikeTheNative said:
Just stop, your embarrassing yourself. You can tell someone has no idea what they are on about when they say there are 'chemicals' in food. Yeah I'm not surprised, there are atoms in them too.

What the heck? You don't understand basic chemistry do you? Different chemicals produce different effects. Effects can even be neurological.

What a poor argument. Just because food has atoms in them you assume that the chemicals are just completely inert and produce no effect?

edscdk · 2 Oct 2018 at 22:26

If you are allergic to a common food *thing* don't eat something that commonly contains that "thing*.

Read the label, if no label don't eat, don't ask a employee cos people are stupid, even if the label says OK... Find someone else with the same allergy and force feed them some..

weringo · 2 Oct 2018 at 22:38

iamtheoneneo said:
Its not WTF. The safety of the airplane is more important. That crew member would actually have probably been fired if they got up because they are putting the airplane in danger.

Sorry but how is being in position to cover the exit doors which will only be of any importance in the one in a million flights which requires the use of them more important than doing something which could actually have been of assistance to someone dying on the plane?

The fact the defibrillator would not have helped in this instance isn't relevant given that the staff would not have known this.

Angilion · 2 Oct 2018 at 23:04

Rifte said:
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One element that did shock me the most was the response from a BA crew member putting forward her reason for not going to get the defibrillator from the back of the aircraft.

I understand the logic.....but still......WTF?

Putting people at risk to fetch something probably irrelevant wouldn't be a good idea. Defibrillators are frequently misrepresented as a technomagic device for all heart problems and they're not.

Tek81 · 2 Oct 2018 at 23:07

jpaul said:
Did they disclose who took these videos and whether they were publically released with the parents permission ?
like other trajic events seems ghoulish/inappropriate (couldn't they help) for folks with mobiles to record such initmate events and then put into public domain.

Which videos are we talking about? I'm only aware of the one that has been posted on news sites.